Wilder has a blind spot with Connolly

Glover_elbow said:
I think it's the Connolly supporters who have stuck doggedly to a entrenched view when with each game every blank becomes more incriminating. It was a terrible decision to loan a guy who is so far off the boil. Middlesbrough football club shouldnt be used as career rehabilitation for loan signings.
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Unfortunately that’s where we are as a club.

Last season was no different, we saw opportunities in January and took risks to plug up holes in the squad.

Kebano - McGree
Mendez-Laing - Connolly
Bolasie - Balogun
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I don't think Wilder has a blind spot with him; I just think he's playing him as part of a rotation of 4 forwards. It's not like he's first choice every game and he doesn't even always come on as a sub. I think the fact that Sporar was out for a bit makes some people thinks he's more 'in' than he actually is.
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It's about tactics. He wants a forward press and like it or not we have 2 forwards that can/will press, and 3 that can't/won't.

He has never paired Sporar and Coburn for a reason. There will be no press, opposition will walk out with the ball, our tactics will melt away. We always need one of Watmore or Connolly on the pitch for our tactic and Watmore isn't physically capable of more than 50-60 mins
 
Glover_elbow said:
I think it's the Connolly supporters who have stuck doggedly to a entrenched view when with each game every blank becomes more incriminating. It was a terrible decision to loan a guy who is so far off the boil. Middlesbrough football club shouldnt be used as career rehabilitation for loan signings.
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I'm not entrenched at all. I stated clearly he was poor last game, I've also stated he needs to learn to run in behind, work on his finishing etc.

It's not entrenched, it's pragmatic, that he's playing in the champo for a reason, he has strengths and weaknesses.

I've also said he should be dropped next game (with Crooks and Lumley) for playing so bad last game. Not sure how that is entrenched or dogmatic, it's practical, and fair. Dealing in the absolutes of the language I see around here, simply isn't my style. I've never claimed him to be a world beater, I've never claimed he should start every game, and I've never claimed he is a top striker. I've simply balanced the negative side of his game with some positives.
 
BoroMart said:
Spot on. The extremeities of and I paraphrase but "He's rubbish, end of" are ridiculous. The persistence in looking at his failure against one single metric as evidence that he is rubbish is again silly.

The game is much more nuanced, than that. He is suffering in front of goal, and he needs to learn to shoot earlier and to make runs in behind, but he has positives to his game as well as negatives. He doesn't just not bother challenging like Britt used to, not close down like Fletcher, not hold it up like Rhodes.

I get some people don't like him, that's fine, but a little more nuance and honesty is a better way to look at it. He has weaknesses and strengths. To put him down in the same ball park as our worst forwards ever is silly.

Same with Balogun, he is much more hot and cold, but shows some very good technical ability. I'm very sure he will make it as a minimum at a top champ player.
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Ridiculous. Silly. Dishonest. Lacking nuance. Silly again.

You really do struggle when people don't agree with you.

BoroMart said:
Dealing in the absolutes of the language I see around here, simply isn't my style
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Except when Derby County is the subject matter of course.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Ridiculous. Silly. Dishonest. Lacking nuance. Silly again.

You really do struggle when people don't agree with you.
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Right back at you kidda

Adi_Dem said:
Except when Derby County is the subject matter of course.
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Do enlighten me...

end of the day, you think the lad has zero ability, and I disagree. It's opinions, you need to learn to live with that. You struggle to engage on a level beyond superficial analysis, you are more emotionally driven, that's fine, that's your problem not mine. Peace out, UTFB
 
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BoroMart said:
So remind me, you said in absolute terms that Gibson could not win in his legal battle with Derby, what happened again?

🤷‍♂️ :ROFLMAO:
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Oh, here we go. Getting upset again?

No I didn't. In fact I was at pains not to do that. Go and read the thread again.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Oh, here we go. Getting upset again?

No I didn't. In fact I was at pains not to do that. Go and read the thread again.
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upset? you're being daft again.

You were very anti the whole idea of him suing Derby because he couldn't win....he did though didn't he. I'm amazed you brought Derby up after the mess you got yourself in on that thread. It's like Jon Jo Shelvey and one other all over again :ROFLMAO:
 
BoroMart said:
upset? you're being daft again.

You were very anti the whole idea of him suing Derby because he couldn't win....he did though didn't he. I'm amazed you brought Derby up after the mess you got yourself in on that thread. It's like Jon Jo Shelvey and one other all over again :ROFLMAO:
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Utter nonsense. For a poster I used to like and respect, you really do seem to be deeply arrogant and unpleasant.

I didn't get myself in any mess at all. So much so that I am more than happy to provide the link to said thread: https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/next-derby-owners-face-extra-£1m-legal-bill-as-middlesbrough-and-wycombe-compensation-claims-head-for-ugly-court-battle.26732/page-3

It speaks for itself. The traits you display in this thread are evidenced there as well. An absolute inability to accept an alternative viewpoint, telling me I was in one of my funny moods, hilariously bringing up the Shelvey thing again, condescension throughout before ultimately being schooled and clicking the ignore button. The thread is there and loudly speaks for itself.

First of all I went to great lengths to explain that it was all opinion based on publicly availble information. Secondly, I was anti the idea of pursuing an action because of the optics of extorting money out of a club on its knees. In fact, what I said was that we might force a settlement out of them for nuisance value irrespective of legal merits, which I did not agree with. Since it wasn’ttested legally we won’t ever know as to it’s legal merits. All we do know is that he forced a settlement out of a club on its knees.

Maybe you should look in the mirror and try to actually listen to people in the future.

A couple of examples of what I actually said rather than your clearly foggy memory:

I don’t see any legal merit in it. Fails several parts of the legal test for such claims in my view. Obviously that’s very difficult to be certain about without seeing the pleadings. For me though it won’t succeed for any amount I don’t think.

With the caveat that I have only read reports online about our claim, MFC now needs to prove on the balance of probabilities (i.e. what was more probable than not) that breaches spanning a three year period by one club in the competition resulted in loss and damage in the form of MFC's failure to secure a play off spot and thereby win promotion to the Premier League. Surely, anyone can see the gaping flaws in such a claim?

I don't disagree as to the motivation and the only difficulty in predicting outcome is not having seen the pleadings. Based on standards of proof and causation I just can't see how it succeeds legally.

Firstly, I haven't claimed this to be anything more than my opinion based on my legal expertise and the publicly available information. That is all it is. In fact, I made clear earlier in the thread that what I was saying came with the caveat that I haven't seen the pleadings.

Of course it is all opinions. I am not and have not claimed otherwise.

I agree that we can only opine on that which we know and so any opinions are caveated by that. It’s a given and has been acknowledged throughout the thread. Maybe you missed it, who knows.

Again that’s not accurate. What I said is that based on the publicly available information our case will fail the causation tests. My view therefore is that unless there’s something that I am unaware of that would materially change something (and I repeat I’m open to that being the case) then it is likely to fail.
 
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BoroMart said:
Spot on. The extremeities of and I paraphrase but "He's rubbish, end of" are ridiculous. The persistence in looking at his failure against one single metric as evidence that he is rubbish is again silly.

The game is much more nuanced, than that. He is suffering in front of goal, and he needs to learn to shoot earlier and to make runs in behind, but he has positives to his game as well as negatives. He doesn't just not bother challenging like Britt used to, not close down like Fletcher, not hold it up like Rhodes.

I get some people don't like him, that's fine, but a little more nuance and honesty is a better way to look at it. He has weaknesses and strengths. To put him down in the same ball park as our worst forwards ever is silly.

Same with Balogun, he is much more hot and cold, but shows some very good technical ability. I'm very sure he will make it as a minimum at a top champ player.
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I suppose they're both developing players, that's the bottom line, but I see qualities in both, albeit different.
 
"For me though it won’t succeed for any amount I don’t think." -- and there we have it. anyway, I offered the olive branch earlier in this chat but you carried on your childish behaviour. You're a bully, boorish, arrogant and a gaslighter accusing others of what you are doing. Maybe you are more pleasant in the real world, I find most people are, but on here you are intolerable, so off you pop, the ignore button was made for people like you
 
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BoroMart said:
"For me though it won’t succeed for any amount I don’t think." -- and there we have it.
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Do you think there’s a difference between a legal argument being tested and succeeding at court versus a confidential out of court settlement for an undisclosed amount? My view was that it wouldn’t succeed at court but that it might extort a settlement, which it did. As I was at pains to point out it was nothing more than an opinion.

Either way, at best, you’re gloating about an opinion I had (and continue to have actually) being ‘proven’ wrong in your mind to support you on a thread in which you disagree with me on the merits of a loanee striker. At worst, you’re someone prepared to insult and lie to ‘win’ a disagreement about the merits of a loanee striker whilst throwing insults around. Not a great look and not something I’m interested in having further part in.

And so on that note I’m out. Whatever it is that you want to win, you can. You’ve won it. Well done and congrats. Time for me to retire from this board. I have neither the time nor the inclination to deal with liars who drag threads into this sort of ill thought out nonsense with insults and condescension over a difference of opinion. It’s really quite pathetic.

It was a good run. Been on here for 20 odd years now. Not for me any more.
 
Mart you do appear to me to have a bit of a self awareness blindspot.
Everyone has opinions, the board is about sharing them.
You seem to get involved in this type of thing quite a lot.

I respect your opinion and value a lot of your insights, but you do seem to only have room for your own opinion or those that agree with you.
Before you predictably snap back, I am aware that I have some strong opinions and am not backward coming forward myself, but you post so much and are always on the front foot.

I have a lot of time for Adi and hope he doesn't leave the board, even if I don't always entirely agree with him. He is very much one who's insights and knowledge I value and opinion I respect.
 
indeedido said:
Everyone has opinions, the board is about sharing them.
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Mate, I already said, I have no problem with people not rating him, but when people go to the absolute extremes of he offers absolutely nothing, that's when I call it out.

Not sure how that constitutes a 'self awareness blind spot'. mind.
indeedido said:
You seem to get involved in this type of thing quite a lot.
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Not really, the only person I've had any tet a tete with in teh last year is Adi, and both times it's been him with an absolute black and white view, and me with the more moderate one.

indeedido said:
I respect your opinion and value a lot of your insights, but you do seem to only have room for your own opinion or those that agree with you.
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That's your opinion, but I don't agree. I'm happy to discuss opinions, question them, test them, that doesn't mean I've only got room for my opinions.

indeedido said:
Before you predictably snap back, I am aware that I have some strong opinions and am not backward coming forward myself, but you post so much and are always on the front foot.
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What does 'on the front foot mean', and who decides what is 'so much'? I only post on things I feel I have some knowledge or interest in, and it's none of anyones concern how much I post is it?

indeedido said:
I have a lot of time for Adi and hope he doesn't leave the board
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If he's crying about leaving the board, then that's a shame but at the same time if he doesn't like people giving it back when he fails to keep it civil and respectful then he's only got himself to blame. I find the guys demeanor descends into that of a bully, and I'll stand up to that. He escalated a discussion about a footballer and started to throw around accusations at me, making it personal. Not the other way around. There was no need for that and it he lowered the tone.

Anyway the ignore button is there for a reason, I've ignored him, because I don't engage with people who take it personal, if he feels I'm doing that to him, he can do the same (or be less personal with people).
 
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