Who will be crying out in chorus an allegiance to the king?

Not refused per se, but pressure put on to have them amended.
But how can you be so sure it was pressure? Could it be reasoned negotiation based on particular facts, roles, upkeep of buildings, etc etc, I have no idea btw. I accept the public should have a right to know and judge accordingly too and should not be kept in the dark as to why they were excluded. Pressure is a guess, it is possible, but a guess, maybe it was to avoid a constitutional crisis of sorts, who knows, but i agree we should know why and reflect on it.
 
But how can you be so sure it was pressure? Could it be reasoned negotiation based on particular facts, roles, upkeep of buildings, etc etc, I have no idea btw. I accept the public should have a right to know and judge accordingly too and should not be kept in the dark as to why they were excluded. Pressure is a guess, it is possible, but a guess, maybe it was to avoid a constitutional crisis of sorts, who knows, but i agree we should know why and reflect on it.
Here you go....
 
Sickening that while so many struggle they can justify spending so much on this, perhaps they can pay for it from the money they saved on inheritance tax (which the rest of us all have to pay)

Anyone recognising another human as superior due to what family they happened to be born into really need to gain some self respect
 
Here you go....
Thats nothing more than I said at #117 though. If you had to put your name to something important you’d read it. The word vetting is probably journalistic licence given the last time a bill was not given Royal Assent was 1708. I am sure they discuss these with the PM every meeting, but it still seems they give ceremonial approval rather than having a real involvement of determining yes or no, the balance of probability would suggest that as its over 300 yrs since no was said.
 
Thats nothing more than I said at #117 though. If you had to put your name to something important you’d read it. The word vetting is probably journalistic licence given the last time a bill was not given Royal Assent was 1708. I am sure they discuss these with the PM every meeting, but it still seems they give ceremonial approval rather than having a real involvement of determining yes or no, the balance of probability would suggest that as its over 300 yrs since no was said.
I think it's naïve in the extreme to believe that. I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.
 
Will I be crying out in chorus to swear allegiance to an unelected toff during a bizarre cosplay performance where everyone still pretends we have some sort of feudal system where ancestry trumps ability?

As I am not an idiot, no I will not.
 
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The same people who were banging pans on their doorsteps a few years ago I assume.
Turned into a grotesque competition didn't it? Started off with clapping then as you say people brought out pots and pans and wooden spoons, air horns, cow bells etc.
 
I think it's naïve in the extreme to believe that. I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.
I wouldn’t trust them either, they are human beings. I just don’t believe they have the actual power you think, we’d have a constitutional crisis if they did. If they have real power to use, why don’t they use it and give the odd bill the thumbs down? Politicians have the real power and we only have ourselves and fellow voters to blame there.
 
I wouldn’t trust them either, they are human beings. I just don’t believe they have the actual power you think, we’d have a constitutional crisis if they did. If they have real power to use, why don’t they use it and give the odd bill the thumbs down? Politicians have the real power and we only have ourselves and fellow voters to blame there.
They use real power to avoid paying tax on their massive assets unlike the rest of the nation
 
They use real power to avoid paying tax on their massive assets unlike the rest of the nation
Again, where are the transcripts, where is the proof that was done. What hold did they have over the Major Government to force his agreement? Your comment may be right, wrong or somewhere in the middle, we don’t know, we don’t have the facts, i agree we should, but we don’t. It will have been a political trade off involving No10 and No11 Downing street. Everyone is guessing or assuming things based on personal bias and pure conjecture, that doesn’t mean your wrong, but equally it doesn’t make you right either. We do need the facts to show why, could it have meant it saved the public purse in some other way? Is this decision covered by the 30 yr rule for cabinet docs to be published? If so, we may find out later this year……. maybe.
 
It’s all just a little bit silly, isn’t it?
Golden carriages, magic hats, ancient ceremonial stones getting carted 100s of miles, lots of bowing, everybody chanting allegiance to their betters on the doorstep…
It’s a little bit embarrassing, really, in this day and age and with the nation skint and heading down the swanny in so many ways.

That said, I hope everybody who goes in for that sort of thing has a lovely day, as god knows people deserve a party and some distraction from the mess we are in……
Is there actually a magic hat or are you paraphrasing? Because if there is I'm watching it.
 
Always find it hard to get worked up about stuff like this. I don't think we should have a publicly funded royal family. But the real issues behind the lack of social mobility are housing and education.
 
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