Where would you place the current Labour Party on Left to Right spectrum?

Scrote said:
When have we ever had a remotely hard-left opposition?

Corbynism was very much Northern-European centre-left democratic socialism.
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There is a reason we have never had a hard left party in power.

Corbyn was mainstream left but with some scary idealistic nuances thrown in. Can you imagine where we’d maybe be if he ever eventually manoeuvred his personal way on Trident? Anyway, I’m not going over old ground on him, a busted flush, a gift to the tories, handed on a silver platter, he was own goal after own goal I previously said, and so it proved.
 
coluka said:
There is a reason we have never had a hard left party in power.
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Yes. It's because we've never had a hard-left party in opposition.

Labour are currently a right of centre party. How far right depends on how you want to define it. But they are not close to being centre-left. If they release a manifesto with some more left-aligned policies then they may move into that space. On current output they are no-where near it and no amount of wishful thinking will make it otherwise.
 
coluka said:
There is a reason we have never had a hard left party in power.

Corbyn was mainstream left but with some scary idealistic nuances thrown in. Can you imagine where we’d maybe be if he ever eventually manoeuvred his personal way on Trident? Anyway, I’m not going over old ground on him, a busted flush, a gift to the tories, handed on a silver platter, he was own goal after own goal I previously said, and so it proved.
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He's gone but Trident is still a waste of space. The wool is well and truly over the eyes on this one.
 
Scrote said:
When have we ever had a remotely hard-left opposition?

Corbynism was very much Northern-European centre-left democratic socialism.
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Probably mentioned this before. Sent the 2017 Labour Election Manifesto to my friend, who was a Swedish Social Democrat politician, somewhat to the left within the party.
He thought a couple of things could have been improved, but said it would sit quite well in their party.
Strangely he sent to his Norwegian mate another politician, a Christian Democrat, he had no problems with it either and reckoned a lot of it could be in theirs.

In the views on where Labour is on the political spectrum. We should all be careful on the, they’re just ‘Tory Light’ stuff.
 
coluka said:
There is a reason we have never had a hard left party in power.

Corbyn was mainstream left but with some scary idealistic nuances thrown in. Can you imagine where we’d maybe be if he ever eventually manoeuvred his personal way on Trident? Anyway, I’m not going over old ground on him, a busted flush, a gift to the tories, handed on a silver platter, he was own goal after own goal I previously said, and so it proved.
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WTF is mainstream left.

Corbyn agreed he would abide by party policy on Trident and they voted to keep it a conference.
 
coluka said:
You have 2 choices in our political landscape, run a campaign to suit the majority of voters or shout and scream from the margins and be powerless. Idealism never wins. You currently have a choice of Starmer or Sunak, that might yet change as the tories love a new leadership contest, every vote for anyone else can in some cases be a proxy vote for the tories. I hope people have the good sense to vote tactically to vote for a candidate best placed to beat the tory in power, in some cases that may be a Liberal, SNP, Green etc, but in most cases it will be Labour, so where Labour has a chance, vote for them and hold your nose if you must, otherwise don’t come spouting here or anywhere else afterwards bemoaning another Tory Prime Minister.
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None of that has any bearing on:

A) whether it's true to say Labour are currently a centre left party
B) whether it's realistic to think the next Labour government will be more left wing the longer its in office.
 
SuperStu said:
None of that has any bearing on:

A) whether it's true to say Labour are currently a centre left party
B) whether it's realistic to think the next Labour government will be more left wing the longer its in office.
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I already answered that. The subsequent post you refer to was a direct response to your contrafibularities and not the OP’s question.
 
We’ve gotta be careful in believing this Tory fed lie that labour are just the same as them…
In no way are they socialist enough, but a lot of the public aren’t ready for that, as a collective, we’re just too selfish..
The tories are happy for people to think starmer isn’t a change, so not worth voting for, they’re splitting the vote for the best chance of getting them out of power for a good few years…
Once that happens we can slowly start to change the view that socialism is bad,..
 
asredastheycome said:
WTF is mainstream left.

Corbyn agreed he would abide by party policy on Trident and they voted to keep it a conference.
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You do understand that people, and especially politicians, don’t always do what they say don’t you. He was a man openly against Trident, once in power who knows what he’d have tried to do, thankfully we’ll never need to find out. Only a fool is trusting of everything they are told, even by their own.
 
festa5 said:
I agree people aren't necessarily afraid of change, but it's not a level playing field. Not even close.
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I don't disagree.

My view though, is that it's a problem that only gets worse the longer its not addressed. The only way to move public opinion towards any policy, right or left, is discourse. For as long as right wing policies get talked about and left wing policies don't, the country will drift to the right.
 
Left of centre like me, I've worked for what I have and don't owe any b***r, especially the Tory vermin people and their ultra neo nazi voters. Tories don't own dreams or peoples aspirations of this country. I've never known them do anything constructive in my entire life.

We have to help businesses and we need to be practical in taxation, we need to encourage innovation, we also need to help the less fortunate of our population. there are million places we need to make progress in
A perfect example of this Govt is the announcement of a 20% cut in funding to children with major learning difficulties, but there will be a few posters on here that it wont register with at all, as all they want is to think of themselves and wallow in self pity, I've read it on here every week for the last 2 years.

I've also read a bloke on here that seems a nice soul, but he thinks Starmer should be run out of town!! - you cant kid a kidder, you arent fvkg Che Guevara - your a blob walking around parts of Stockton being disingenuous on here, and you have plenty of money, and if a hard left person hit you on the head you wouldn't know . So cut the crap eh.

I don't often agree with Coluka on some things, but he's on the money here and he also knows that were up against the establishment - the BBC ,ITV the Newspapers and half the internet far right on line, ie) GB News, Talk Radio etc etc etc.
The fight to get a fair minded non corrupt govt is going to be more than difficult, but even if we get elected for a short while we can build things and help people.

Not give a lot of donors £30 million for unusable PPE, which is a pittance of the corruption this vermin have stolen from us. and the fvkwits pretend hard left people start on Starmer, you couldnt make these fvkwits up.

Stay centre and beat these cvnts, they cant do out with Starmer can they ? because he`s every thing they would like in a Tory but he knows how to get in as Labour Politician.

Rant over for now.
 
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Scrote said:
Yes. It's because we've never had a hard-left party in opposition.

Labour are currently a right of centre party. How far right depends on how you want to define it. But they are not close to being centre-left. If they release a manifesto with some more left-aligned policies then they may move into that space. On current output they are no-where near it and no amount of wishful thinking will make it otherwise.
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Right of centre 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Only in the eyes of the hard or mainstream left who try to sell a lie to justify their positioning. The reason the silent majority in the UK are not buying your personal brand of white noise is because it is somewhat mendacious. I understand you are looking through personal idealism, thats fine, no problem with that, but most people are not as monochrome, the British people will not accept a big lurch to the left in the current climate and history only goes to show that.
 
coluka said:
There is a reason we have never had a hard left party in power.

Corbyn was mainstream left but with some scary idealistic nuances thrown in. Can you imagine where we’d maybe be if he ever eventually manoeuvred his personal way on Trident? Anyway, I’m not going over old ground on him, a busted flush, a gift to the tories, handed on a silver platter, he was own goal after own goal I previously said, and so it proved.
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He nearly won in 2017, it was very very close.
 
HolgateCorner said:
He nearly won in 2017, it was very very close.
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If Boro hadn’t have conceded in any of their games and scored a goal in each we’d be top of the league. No offence but he lost and then went on to get hammered by a clown as Tory leader. I held my nose despite my view on him as a leader though, I do wonder how some on here will cope with doing the right thing, some have even said they hate the tories so much but can’t vote for Starmer, truly pathetic if anyone does vote elsewhere unless for tactical reasons.
 
I think the Blair premiership, and particularly its first term, doesn’t get the credit for some of its preparedness to go against the cautious “received wisdom” of the status quo. Partly I suspect as a result of how mainstream or even timid the changes now seem and partly because of the bad taste the wars created in some.

There’s a long list of things the mid 90s would have seen as not entirely “safe”, some real causes of the mainstream left. Equalisation of the age of consent, the repeal of Section 28, and extension of equalities legislation to sexuality and gender. Devolution for Wales and Scotland and its restoration in London. Restoration of trade union rights at GCHQ. The Human Rights Act. House of Lords reform (of a sort anyway) and Freedom of Information (again, of a sort). Genuine increases in health and education spending (if not always funded as I’d like). A minimum wage.

I see no sign of even that level of limited courage from Starmer. So wherever you put the Blair Government on the spectrum, Starmer’s needs to be a couple of ticks less radical.
 
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