Duke,
You think I'm talking rubbish, I think you're talking rubbish, so lets agree on that huh?
Fact 1: We're heading for an equal or worse position than Spain, Italy, Iran, Japan, South Korea and China, all of which had less notice than us
Fact 2: All of the above would have done better with more notice
Fact 3: We had more notice
Fact 4: We have not done better with more notice
Fact 5: We started of from an easier position
Fact 6: Our lockdown was slower and weaker
Fact 7: We were being criticised for not locking down sooner and being blase
Fact 8 : The Herd immunity plan was either a crap plan to try and get everyone infected early or a long term plan but just not explained that way
Fact 9: We've not been testing enough
Fact 10: We've not even tested those arriving from Madrid, Italy and China by plane
So their plan was updated in 2011 now, so it was updated under the Tories, great. So instead of an old plan that they didn't update, it's now a newer plan they did update. Either way the crap plan is their fault, that's if they used the plan.
Pick one of these instead of fannying around:
They used the advice and the advice was crap
They didn't use the advice and the advice was crap
They didn't use the the advice and the advice was good
They used the the advice and the advice was good - I'll give you a hint, no graph or statistics say this was the choice
Everyone was saying "test, test, test" and we are still saying "no test is better than a bad test"!
There's a very simple way of crudely testing loads of people quickly, with enough accuracy to make a massive difference. Just take someone's thermometer with a temperature gun if you have to. It's what China and other Asian countries were doing (I know this as my mate lives there and physically showed me), even if that's only 90% of people with a fever and 90% accuracy, it still gets 81% of the cases. This method cannot do any harm. Jesus, people could even carry around their own thermometer if they wanted to.
Our experts are our experts, as that's what we have, but do they know more than what the experts in Asia were saying or those ahead of us? No way, that's my point. So that just makes them less qualified, it's not their fault that they don't have the experience, so they should go off the experience of those 5,15 or 40 days ahead.I don't take the advice of my dog about how to make an iPhone, as he's the only one sat next to me. I would get on the phone to Apple or ring someone up in China that has been making them for the last 10 years.
We don't know for certain that we even listened to our experts, or that our experts aren't peddling the company line.
China isn't North Korea, and it's not difficult to see what measures they have implemented (similar to Japan and S Korea), and that they all now have a better grip on it, and did that quicker than we did.
We wouldn't have had as steep a curve, for as long if we had locked down earlier, or with stronger measures, that's my point.
Our peak would have been lower and we would have been on our way down by now.
Spain's curve was going through the roof, worse than anywhere and yet they've turned a corner quite quickly.
You think I'm talking rubbish, I think you're talking rubbish, so lets agree on that huh?
Fact 1: We're heading for an equal or worse position than Spain, Italy, Iran, Japan, South Korea and China, all of which had less notice than us
Fact 2: All of the above would have done better with more notice
Fact 3: We had more notice
Fact 4: We have not done better with more notice
Fact 5: We started of from an easier position
Fact 6: Our lockdown was slower and weaker
Fact 7: We were being criticised for not locking down sooner and being blase
Fact 8 : The Herd immunity plan was either a crap plan to try and get everyone infected early or a long term plan but just not explained that way
Fact 9: We've not been testing enough
Fact 10: We've not even tested those arriving from Madrid, Italy and China by plane
So their plan was updated in 2011 now, so it was updated under the Tories, great. So instead of an old plan that they didn't update, it's now a newer plan they did update. Either way the crap plan is their fault, that's if they used the plan.
Pick one of these instead of fannying around:
They used the advice and the advice was crap
They didn't use the advice and the advice was crap
They didn't use the the advice and the advice was good
They used the the advice and the advice was good - I'll give you a hint, no graph or statistics say this was the choice
Everyone was saying "test, test, test" and we are still saying "no test is better than a bad test"!
There's a very simple way of crudely testing loads of people quickly, with enough accuracy to make a massive difference. Just take someone's thermometer with a temperature gun if you have to. It's what China and other Asian countries were doing (I know this as my mate lives there and physically showed me), even if that's only 90% of people with a fever and 90% accuracy, it still gets 81% of the cases. This method cannot do any harm. Jesus, people could even carry around their own thermometer if they wanted to.
Our experts are our experts, as that's what we have, but do they know more than what the experts in Asia were saying or those ahead of us? No way, that's my point. So that just makes them less qualified, it's not their fault that they don't have the experience, so they should go off the experience of those 5,15 or 40 days ahead.I don't take the advice of my dog about how to make an iPhone, as he's the only one sat next to me. I would get on the phone to Apple or ring someone up in China that has been making them for the last 10 years.
We don't know for certain that we even listened to our experts, or that our experts aren't peddling the company line.
China isn't North Korea, and it's not difficult to see what measures they have implemented (similar to Japan and S Korea), and that they all now have a better grip on it, and did that quicker than we did.
We wouldn't have had as steep a curve, for as long if we had locked down earlier, or with stronger measures, that's my point.
Our peak would have been lower and we would have been on our way down by now.
Spain's curve was going through the roof, worse than anywhere and yet they've turned a corner quite quickly.
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