What would be your lockdown (tier system) breaking point?

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Obviously nobody in the Northeast expected to drop to tier 2 which is a given. It did get me thinking about how people would act if the government really did start to abuse the tier system as infection rates were deemed to be at a relatively low level.

I understand that the government doesn't want to have to deal with the economic fallout of unnecessary lockdowns (despite what conspiracy theorists would think). But i cant help but think about how the tune has gradually changed by the government and this whole thing is becoming far too normalised.

what would be the moment when you say "im not having this anymore"?

I believe the incredibly poor testing system has had a lot to do with the constant in and out of lockdown and its starting to feel like our personal freedoms are becoming a push button exercise due to the incompetence of the way it is being handled.

I have no problem with following rules to protect people but with the fluctuations in cases which are a direct result of poor systems and allowing people in and out of lockdow, '5 day christmas break', the whole school situation. Im starting become a little edgy about it.

Look at New Zealand!

Bit of a 'thoughts on paper' kind of post but interested to hear if anyone elses resolve is starting to become thinner?

I know we have the vaccine being rolled out but again, i cant help thinking that this will also become a farcical long winded affair!
 
Along with like-minded people I've been ignoring it for weeks, except for the pub of course, but that is out of my control.
 
billsykes said:
Along with like-minded people I've been ignoring it for weeks, except for the pub of course, but that is out of my control.
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Yea, ive managed ok with it so far to be fair but its just starting to get to me a bit now. Its like 'tune in at 5pm to see what you are or are not allowed to do this week' based on whatever the trends are with increased testing or questionable statistics accompanied by mumbling bumbling skirting around important questions.
 
The government have already started to abuse the tier system!

According to current guidelines you are not meant to travel from a T3 to a T2 area for pleasure, today they announce that more areas in the South are moving to T3. The sceptic in me tells me that they are doing this so more people in the South can now travel outside of London for Xmas.......If that's not abusing the system then I don't know what is!
 
If they continue to do everything they can to leave London alone and let the virus spread like wildfire there, but punish the entire country when London is in trouble and not the other way round, which has unquestionably been happening, the breaking points of many will be pretty early in the New Year I expect.
 
Two things which should have been significantly improved (imo) and would have led to much greater compliance and empathy are the use of data and transparency of decision making.

Throughout the entire pandemic the data may have been available but in such great volumes (and from such varying sources) that's next to useless. Right at the start we should have agreed what we're measuring, the sources of that data and how it would be presented/frequencies of update. A simple story is surely an easier sell?

Secondly, transparency around decisions has (naturally) led many to question their motive, rationale and ultimately their efficacy (when combined with point one above). How much more acceptable would the tier system be if the government had published simple "targets" (based around the simple data story above) which would drive a change of tiers? As it is they've deliberately included multiple factors in their decision making, which while somewhat understandable, allows almost any decision to be taking without reference to the reasoning and data which sits behind it.
 
My breaking point is I didn’t get on my flight today to come back to the uk for Christmas and new year, Mrs Flash went back a couple of weeks ago and when I spoke to her last night she said ’stay there this is schyte, I’m coming back’

The tier and lockdown sy.stems are to support the NHS so they don’t get overloaded - but there are less people in hospital now than this time last year, why weren’t we locked down last year. So the system is already being abused by the government. They’ve got themselves into this system of micro controlling everything and they don’t know how to get out of it.
 
Ingleby_Flash said:
My breaking point is I didn’t get on my flight today to come back to the uk for Christmas and new year, Mrs Flash went back a couple of weeks ago and when I spoke to her last night she said ’stay there this is schyte, I’m coming back’

The tier and lockdown systems are to support the NHS so they don’t get overloaded - but there are less people in hospital now than this time last year, why weren’t we locked down last year. So the system is already being abused by the government. They’ve got themselves into this system of micro controlling everything and they don’t know how to get out of it.
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100%. The narrative is no longer 'don't overload the NHS' its now 'minimise cases at all cost', which is all well and good apart from the fact that entirely new precedents are being set every week that won't suddenly be deleted from history once Covid passes.
 
changingman said:
Two things which should have been significantly improved (imo) and would have led to much greater compliance and empathy are the use of data and transparency of decision making.
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In a nutshell (y)
’NHS is at breaking point v BBC stats today stating bed occupancy is less than this time last year’
During March, April and May it was all about excess deaths. Not a murmur now - latest (Dec 4th) is showing a decrease to 15% above the 5 year norm.
Average age of death = 82 (The Public think, in surveys, its is 65)
Testing and problems ref potential false positives. Recognised and discussed in New Zealand - ignored by our government.

I could go on

There may very well be good reasons for all the above - if so, please tell us.
Otherwise I reserve the right to sat they are being economical with the truth for whatever reason necessary.
 
atypical_boro said:
100%. The narrative is no longer 'don't overload the NHS' its now 'minimise cases at all cost', which is all well and good apart from the fact that entirely new precedents are being set every week that won't suddenly be deleted from history once Covid passes.
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Exactly, been saying that since March, all these civil liberties and rights that have gone won’t be easy to get back.
 
1finny said:
In a nutshell (y)
’NHS is at breaking point v BBC stats today stating bed occupancy is less than this time last year’
During March, April and May it was all about excess deaths. Not a murmur now - latest (Dec 4th) is showing a decrease to 15% above the 5 year norm.
Average age of death = 82 (The Public think, in surveys, its is 65)
Testing and problems ref potential false positives. Recognised and discussed in New Zealand - ignored by our government.

I could go on

There may very well be good reasons for all the above - if so, please tell us.
Otherwise I reserve the right to sat they are being economical with the truth for whatever reason necessary.
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"Keep them scared and preoccupied til Brexit's over, then I can resign."
 
"In line with the latest modelling". As soon as I hear this I wonder if there is anybody left that is actually listening. The only constant in this whole thing is how after the event the "modelling" has been consistently wrong. And yet those that can never seem to question it.
 
Government I'd liken to a man with a donkey. Carrot and stick comes to mind. We have nibbled away the carrot and now they are beating us with the stick.
Christmas Eve I am going for a beer with my in-laws. Me and my son. Then Christmas Day we are going to my late wife's other sister for dinner. Not a clue if it's breaking any laws but had enough of this shlte. Stuck to rules fairly religiously so far but enough is enough.
 
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I feel sorry for all of you who are in a tier 3 area, life must be extremely hard.
I am tier 2, but find it really difficult to abide by all of the rules. I try to act in the spirit of the rules and live in an area where infection rates are very low.
Personally I have reached burnout, I am at a vulnerable age and health conditions, I live by myself and hundreds of miles away from my grown up family. I run a business where I am expected to keep on running to provide employment to my staff, if I close down then my franchisors will fine me for non performance. I arrange visits to elderly peoples houses and arrange contractors to visit to perform pour service. However I am not allowed to see my family at a time of the year when I would love to see them.
Of course I am going to break the rules to spend a time with my daughter who also lives alone. If I don't then I will really question if I want to be part of this world anymore. That sounds extreme, and I really try to deal with my mental health but I am pushed to the point that I am not sure how to go on.
If it wasn't for Boro's good form recently, then the future would be really bleak.
 
Smog in Wilts said:
I feel sorry for all of you who are in a tier 3 area, life must be extremely hard.
I am tier 2, but find it really difficult to abide by all of the rules. I try to act in the spirit of the rules and live in an area where infection rates are very low.
Personally I have reached burnout, I am at a vulnerable age and health conditions, I live by myself and hundreds of miles away from my grown up family. I run a business where I am expected to keep on running to provide employment to my staff, if I close down then my franchisors will fine me for non performance. I arrange visits to elderly peoples houses and arrange contractors to visit to perform pour service. However I am not allowed to see my family at a time of the year when I would love to see them.
Of course I am going to break the rules to spend a time with my daughter who also lives alone. If I don't then I will really question if I want to be part of this world anymore. That sounds extreme, and I really try to deal with my mental health but I am pushed to the point that I am not sure how to go on.
If it wasn't for Boro's good form recently, then the future would be really bleak.
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Been in tier 3 since July here. But tier 2 isn’t much better. I’m honestly struggling to see a time where we won’t be divided by temporary governmental categorisation again. Can just imagine a scenario where a bad winter flu outbreak next year results in “Burnley in temporarily lockdown” or whatever. Face masks are here to stay too.
 
Laughing said:
There is a saying never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence
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Yep, I don’t believe in any conspiracies or that this is all planned by the government (other than them wanting it to go beyond Brexit).

It’s just that, unsurprisingly, a group of bumbling university pals who’ve found themselves in charge of the country are currently making a massive hash of things because it doesn’t really affect them that much and they don’t really understand what they’re doing.
 
I think we may be worrying needlessly about future restrictions, at least I hope so. Hopefully by next winter we will have reached a vaccination level where the vast majority of the vulnerable are vaccinated and the rest of us can get along with getting on.

I think if lockdowns go on much longer, particularly with the southern soft-touch, we will start to see some unrest.
 
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