What was that about Saudi Arabia the progressive society

Manhead said:
They have had a complete change in leadership over the last few years, have a young leader and the old hardcore of extremely pious leaders have been chucked out, along with the religious police etc.
Saudi has a very young population and there is huge demand for change or fear what's happened elsewhere like the Arab spring.

The changes recently have been immense and the country feel massively different these days with people very optimistic about the future for the first time in decades.

Yes, still a very long way to go but they deserve credit for what has been achieved so far and the desire to keep going. Your quite welcome to your own opinions, all I can comment on is what I see everyday.
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That's good to know they are moving in the right direction hopefully one day they might acknowledge homosexually isnt a heinous crime
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
Just spotted this in the Guardian - Women's rights?? Progress n KSA???

"Saudi woman given 34-year prison sentence for using Twitter"

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"Saudi woman given 34-year prison sentence for using Twitter to spread dissident info to cause public unrest".

Breaking civil stability and causing public unrest has been a crime in KSA for a long time and isn't lmited to women. The headline 'cos using Twitter' isn't really fair. I agree the punishment is incredibly harsh, but the Guardian's headline is a bit disingenuous.
 
BaronSmoggie said:
"Saudi woman given 34-year prison sentence for using Twitter to spread dissident info to cause public unrest".

Breaking civil stability and causing public unrest has been a crime in KSA for a long time and isn't lmited to women. The headline 'cos using Twitter' isn't really fair. I agree the punishment is incredibly harsh, but the Guardian's headline is a bit disingenuous.
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You are right. She wasn't jailed for using Twitter as such but for voicing an opinion but remember, The Saudi Royals have a long history of trying to control Twitter content.

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Wiseman_Vaughn said:
You are right. She wasn't jailed for using Twitter as such but for voicing an opinion but remember, The Saudi Royals have a long history of trying to control Twitter content.

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Agree, and we should rightly call them out, but it needs to be in the proper context. Twitter is going to have more issues like this now that the SWF have a stake in it.
 
kenyan-post.com

Saudi Arabia sentences Leeds University student to 34 years in prison for having a Twitter account and following dissident activists

Wednesday, August 17, 2022 – A Saudi student at Leeds University UK, who returned to Saudi Arabia for a holiday has been sentenced to 34 years in prison for having a Twitter account…
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Wednesday, August 17, 2022 – A Saudi student at Leeds University UK, who returned to Saudi Arabia for a holiday has been sentenced to 34 years in prison for having a Twitter account and for following and retweeting dissident activists.

Salma al-Shebab, 34, was accused of using Twitter to “cause public unrest and destabilise civil and national security” after she posted tweets calling for women’s rights in Saudi Arabia.

Al-Shebab, who has two young sons aged four and six, was initially sentenced to six years in prison but a Saudi terrorism court on Monday, August 15, increased her jail-term to 34 years after she appealed her sentence.

In sentencing, the court cited Al-Shebab’s social media activity where she tweeted in support of women’s rights in Saudi Arabia and expressed solidarity with imprisoned women’s rights activists such as Loujain al-Hathloul and called for their release.

Al-Shebab was arrested after she retweeted a post from Al-Hathloul’s sister Lina which read: “Freedom for Loujain Al-Hathloul … Freedom for all prisoners of conscience. Your freedom is my first wish for this New Year – Happy New Year.”

Al-Shebab would also sometimes retweet posts from dissident activists who were living in exile.

She was accused of “providing succour to those seeking to disrupt public order and undermine the safety of the general public and stability of the state, and publishing false and tendentious rumours on Twitter.”

Al-Shebab was arrested in January 2021 while on holiday in Saudi Arabia just days before she planned to return to the UK, where she was a PhD student at the University of Leeds.

Dr Bethany Al-Haidari, the Saudi case manager at the US-based human rights organisation, said: “Saudi Arabia has boasted to the world that they are improving women’s rights and creating legal reform, but there is no question with this abhorrent sentence that the situation is only getting worse.
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It is unfortunately no surprise that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman feels more empowered than ever in presiding over such egregious rights violations.

“The ruling for Salma’s sentence cited her social media account, where she was supportive of women’s rights activist Loujain al-Hathloul and called for her freedom.

“Though Salma was initially sentenced to 6-years in the first instance court, the sentence was increased to 34 years during the appeal. This is the longest known sentence for a women’s rights activist in Saudi Arabia.”

Loujain Al-Hathloul, who remains wrongfully held in Saudi Arabia under a travel ban, was released from jail just weeks after al-Shebab’s detention.
Al-Shebab had called for Al-Hathloul’s release from prison before her arrest.
Al-Haidari added: “It is ironic that while Loujain’s release was celebrated, Salma remained behind bars on the ground that she called for that very release.
“It’s a pattern for Saudi authorities to ensure that women activists can’t celebrate or take credit for any of their hard-won victories.”
 
BaronSmoggie said:
Agree, and we should rightly call them out, but it needs to be in the proper context. Twitter is going to have more issues like this now that the SWF have a stake in it.
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I remember around 2010 I'm sure that the KSA government were trying to ban the use of Blackberry phones because of their BBM encrypted message feature. This was before Whatsapp and early days of Twitter
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I remember around 2010 I'm sure that the KSA government were trying to ban the use of Blackberry phones because of their BBM encrypted message feature. This was before Whatsapp and early days of Twitter
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India did the same to be fair, it wasn't just one slightly unhinged government trying it.
 
The murder of Khashoggi took place just 4 years ago as a direct instruction from on high in the Saudi Royal Family. I am not disputing progression has been made but underscoring and tempering that is this barbaric atrocity that should not be forgotten.
 
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