What they are keeping from us

[joeydiaz]

In 2020, anyone who has a difference of opinion to the narrative of the mainstream media is now labelled as a conspiracy theorist, regardless of scientific fact.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Hi Matt, death rates for covid are recorded as people dying with covid, not of covid, so what I was questioning here is are the reductions in the death rates of flu etc reducing because some of these deaths were recorded as covid deaths because the virus was present?

I have no idea because covid deaths are measured in the way they are, If you had covid and got run over by a bus you would be included in the covid deaths as I understand it. I could be wrong.

People who die of covid after 28 days don’t get counted as a covid death

 

[ForssAwakens]

Hi Matt, death rates for covid are recorded as people dying with covid, not of covid, so what I was questioning here is are the reductions in the death rates of flu etc reducing because some of these deaths were recorded as covid deaths because the virus was present?

I have no idea because covid deaths are measured in the way they are, If you had covid and got run over by a bus you would be included in the covid deaths as I understand it. I could be wrong.

No you wouldn’t, every death certificate requires clinical judgment from a doctor.

if you have cancer but covid kills you a week early it’s classed as covid

If you have cancer And a bus kills you a week early it goes down as the bus

 

[bear66]

Hi Matt, death rates for covid are recorded as people dying with covid, not of covid, so what I was questioning here is are the reductions in the death rates of flu etc reducing because some of these deaths were recorded as covid deaths because the virus was present?

I have no idea because covid deaths are measured in the way they are, If you had covid and got run over by a bus you would be included in the covid deaths as I understand it. I could be wrong.

You're wrong again. Approximately 95% of those who have a Covid-19 test in the preceding 28 days have Covid-19 on their death certificate. So if you were run over by a bus, Covid-19 would not be on the death certificate.

 

[Fridgeman]

You're wrong again. Approximately 95% of those who have a Covid-19 test in the preceding 28 days have Covid-19 on their death certificate. So if you were run over by a bus, Covid-19 would not be on the death certificate.

thats why I posted the thread, I am so confused with what is going on, some good points and information given on the recording of deaths, thanks all thats starting to sink in, there is still a big elephant in the room regarding future deaths as a direct result covid restrictions and people choosing not to to attend appointments due to their fears of covid, what will be the true cost? will it be worse than the virus itself?

 

[Matt]

As Gaz said, every death certificate requires a clinical judgement from a medical professional.

Some deaths go down as Covid, some may mention it on the death certificate and if they are seriously ill enough to die then there is a fair chance that having covid did not help them

I have no way to say for certain that Flu deaths aren't being recorded as covid deaths, but it seems unlikely as they would have had to test positive for covid in the first instance to qualify for a "with covid" death so the overlap of people with both Flu and Covid is probably quite small.

What you may be seeing is that social distancing and other precautions are lower the number of Flu infections (just as they are lowering the number of Covid infections), so there are less Flu deaths compared to the average.

 

[bear66]

As Gaz said, every death certificate requires a clinical judgement from a medical professional.

Some deaths go down as Covid, some may mention it on the death certificate and if they are seriously ill enough to die then there is a fair chance that having covid did not help them

I have no way to say for certain that Flu deaths aren't being recorded as covid deaths, but it seems unlikely as they would have had to test positive for covid in the first instance to qualify for a "with covid" death so the overlap of people with both Flu and Covid is probably quite small.

What you may be seeing is that social distancing and other precautions are lower the number of Flu infections (just as they are lowering the number of Covid infections), so there are less Flu deaths compared to the average.

Flu deaths have been lower worldwide and the significantly lower January / February figures were before any Covid-19 deaths at all.

 

[Matt]

there is still a big elephant in the room regarding future deaths as a direct result covid restrictions and people choosing not to to attend appointments due to their fears of covid, what will be the true cost? will it be worse than the virus itself?

This is an impossible question to answer at the moment. The current thinking is that as hospitalisations increase (as they are at the moment) then hospitals become an unsafe place for people who have serious illnesses. If they are left to increase too much, the hospital gets overrun and can't provide treatment for anyone. This is one of the factors behind stopping certain surgeries and treatments.

There will undoubtedly be an impact on people who have missed treatments and diagnoses, and whether we have been too strict on hospitalisations or not remains to be seen, and an argument can probably be made quite well either way - unfortunately not everything is black and white - it's important to not lose sight of the fact that this is an incredibly difficult situation (a live, ever changing situation at that) that is hard to manage, especially once it has gotten out of control in the way that it has. Mistakes will undoubtedly be made and there will be an impact for years to come I am sure.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a higher than normal rate of cancer deaths in the next few years, as an example