What is Israel trying to achieve?

Andy_W said:
Beat me to it.

They wouldn't be releasing that info if it wasn't true, and maybe it stops Iran doing it and Isreal stop being so heavy handed with Palestine.

Not that I'm not saying Hezbollah aren't a problem mind, as they are, but enough is enough.
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Or Israel uses it as an excuse for a 'pre-emptive' strike of its own. The US could stop Israel with a single phone call. It doesn't want to. This is just another of their imperial proxy wars. albeit higher risk and reward than most.
 
I can't see why Iran would want to do that, bar succumbing to internal pressure. Can't be any way it ends well for them.
 
TurnbullsCans said:
Increasingly I find myself questioning where the line is between the actions of Putin and Netanyahu.
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I'm inclined to agree with you in the main.

There's subtle differences; Israel's forces are obviously smaller in number than the Russian army yet more highly trained being one I would wager, and there is the less subtle difference that Ukraine were not carrying out any kind of terrorist activity against Russia or Putin prior to Russia's invasion.

But essentially, they're the same kind of leader, using a show of force and taking the opportunity for a land grab to feed and appease their own paranoia. And hurting and killing many innocent civilians in the process.
 
I think Israel are systematically destroying the leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas and daring Iran to interfere. When they do they will ensure Irans nuclear aspirations are well and truly destroyed. Iran, through it’s proxies are Israels enemy and also as much an enemy to the palestinian people and lebanese. Lebanon is a sovereign state but its army is helpless against hezbollah. How can Israelis feel safe with that scenario on their northern border? Likewise with Hamas in Gaza. As always though it is the innocent millions of palestinians and now lebanese that find themselves in the midst of absolute hell. They are the disproportionate losers in this and have been victims all of my lifetime pretty much. Palestinians deserve a state of their own but are powerless to prevent a group like Hamas or Hezbollah forming an army which would camp on Israels doorstep. As we see now in lebanon, Israel will not allow that. I dont blame them for that either. I would not want an entity focused on the destruction of my country literally next door. The conflict I have with my thinking is how Israel robs land from palestinians for new Israeli settlements which is criminal to me yet goes on unabated. I might know what I would like to happen over there but that is not real life as there are so many destructive elements on all sides that I think I have accepted that there will be absolutely no change at all for the rest of my lifetime.
 
Netanyahu is a fool.

What he fails to understand, which is painfully obvious, is that he will never eliminate the threat to Israel from surrounding countries.

As long as people are alive in those countries, they will continue to threaten and retaliate and fight through whatever means they have at their disposal in order to get what they truly believe is theirs.

All he will do with his current aggression is **** them off even more, and incur the wrath of the rest of the world.

In which case, the only answer, as it always has been, is for both sides to sit down and negotiate and compromise.

It's like 2 kids fighting over a favourite toy. There only ever will be one toy, so they have to learn to share. It's worked in Northern Ireland, why not the Middle East?
 
Ipad1977 said:
I'm inclined to agree with you in the main.

There's subtle differences; Israel's forces are obviously smaller in number than the Russian army yet more highly trained being one I would wager, and there is the less subtle difference that Ukraine were not carrying out any kind of terrorist activity against Russia or Putin prior to Russia's invasion.

But essentially, they're the same kind of leader, using a show of force and taking the opportunity for a land grab to feed and appease their own paranoia. And hurting and killing many innocent civilians in the process.
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Having a trigger to react to - which Israel did - is the only clear line I can see. Both are prepared to kill thousands of innocent people in an effort to land grab and cleanse those lands of their people. Oh - and the obvious other line - that one is an international pariah, at least in the West, while the other rolls on without sanction.
 
starplayer said:
I think Israel are systematically destroying the leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas and daring Iran to interfere. When they do they will ensure Irans nuclear aspirations are well and truly destroyed. Iran, through it’s proxies are Israels enemy and also as much an enemy to the palestinian people and lebanese. Lebanon is a sovereign state but its army is helpless against hezbollah. How can Israelis feel safe with that scenario on their northern border? Likewise with Hamas in Gaza. As always though it is the innocent millions of palestinians and now lebanese that find themselves in the midst of absolute hell. They are the disproportionate losers in this and have been victims all of my lifetime pretty much. Palestinians deserve a state of their own but are powerless to prevent a group like Hamas or Hezbollah forming an army which would camp on Israels doorstep. As we see now in lebanon, Israel will not allow that. I dont blame them for that either. I would not want an entity focused on the destruction of my country literally next door. The conflict I have with my thinking is how Israel robs land from palestinians for new Israeli settlements which is criminal to me yet goes on unabated. I might know what I would like to happen over there but that is not real life as there are so many destructive elements on all sides that I think I have accepted that there will be absolutely no change at all for the rest of my lifetime.
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I could not agree more and find it an excellent analysis.

I agree entirely with the conflict about the behaviour in the West Bank and the overall situation.
 
red_harrington said:
In which case, the only answer, as it always has been, is for both sides to sit down and negotiate and compromise.
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It's been tried and always fails because the over riding agenda of one side is the destruction of the other.

On the same day that Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordanian TV. Here is what he said: “ Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we’ll do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we’ll use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

In a closed meeting with Arab diplomats in Stockholm he made the following statement (which was leaked by one person present and reported by Cal Thomas in the Washington Times, also by the Middle East Digest, March 7, 1996):

“Within five years we will have 6 to 7 million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem... We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. Jews will not want to live among Arabs. I have no use for Jews... We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem.”

“Kill a settler every day… Shoot at settlers everywhere… Woe to you if you let them reach their homes safely or travel safely on the roads… I want you to kill as many settlers as possible… Do not pay attention to what I say in the media, the television or public appearances. Pay attention only to the written instructions you receive from me.” Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat, addressing his people at a public event, July, 2001.

I have no time for Netanyahu and quote the above not to legitimise what is happening. Yet when October 7th was pledged to be repeated you can at least see the existential crisis Israel faces.

Had the UN come out and declared Oct 7th a war crime, issued arrest warrants for the Hamas leaders and demanded the release of hostages then the Israelis could not have responded in the way they have.
 
Iran does right Israel has to stopped. The Palestine situation has happened due to Israel treating the state as a prison for decades that caused extreme group to form but Israel ate the innocent ones
 
Boro4life said:
Iran does right Israel has to stopped. The Palestine situation has happened due to Israel treating the state as a prison for decades that caused extreme group to form but Israel ate the innocent ones
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Iran were behind the HAMAs and the original attack so I presume Iran wanted this to play out the way it has, as there was no way Israel was not going to do anything even if Neyanyahu wasn't in charge . I thought the original attack was to stop the deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia, which Iran was dead against for lots of reasons, not so sure now.
 
Ipad1977 said:
Ukraine were not carrying out any kind of terrorist activity against Russia or Putin prior to Russia's invasion.
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They had been shelling the Russian speaking people of eastern Ukraine for eight years; outlawing Russian as a second language and burning people alive in public buildings.
 
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