What a mistake sacking Wilder.

Cattermole is a pound shop Woodgate, which was a pound shop Southgate, which is where are decline started😡
atypical_boro said:
I get that people are underwhelmed by the appointment of Cattermole (as I will be if it happens) but I don’t think anyone can categorically say it’s the wrong move until he actually takes charge of a few games.
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viv_andersons_nana said:
I’m assuming that because I’d be amazed if any senior technical football operator worth their salt went anywhere near that sort of appointment at this stage of that coach’s career/development. It’d be completely mind-blowing.

We need to give Scott more time IMO, certainly more than two transfer windows anyway. The next two windows are key. I still believe that if you choose your best central-defensive partnership and put an orthodox defensive midfielder into this side, we’d be a top-half side looking up rather than down.

The sort of doom and gloom we’re seeing now was there under Strachan, the end of Mowbray/early Aitor, and at different points of Woodgate’s spell. I just don’t see us being in our current league position for very long. Call me rose-tinted or whatever you like, that’s just what I think and how I feel about it.
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I would say he's had two and a bit windows already. Although not officially employed, I think he has some say in Warnock's last window. Our transfer business since then has been pretty bad, with no real tangible benefits. Sooner or later, he has to be accountable. I would give him this season and then have a serious evaluation as to whether this new structure is really working or not?
 
Otto42 said:
Cattermole is a pound shop Woodgate, which was a pound shop Southgate, which is where are decline started😡
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Well quite often football fans think something is going to pan out a certain way and it doesn’t. I’m not saying that will happen here, but it’s not impossible.

Like, if he fired us to the play-offs against the odds, I wouldn’t be saying it was the wrong move.
 
BobendBert said:
If Clattermole gets the job we might as well all pack up and go home.

Lovely bit of history re-writing as well on this thread. Warnock was god awful.
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after Woodgate folks wanted mid table stability.. we finished 10th

Warnock had the same record as Karanka.. all the praise for Wilder when he rode the wave with a fully fit squad. Same circumstances with injuries and Wilder lost the plot.
 
newyddion said:
Wilder had the benefit of all Warnock’s players fully fit, plus a decent transfer window. Wilder finished the season averaging 1 point per game.

Saying Warnock was leaving at the end of the season.. so was Wilder!!
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Just be honest, we were never going to winning 9 in a row at home under Warnock, we weren't going to be beating man utd and spurs, scoring late goals, or having a great atmosphere. We got a good few enjoyable months last season that looked far from likely under Wanock. Plus we were relieved of his "banter"
 
newyddion said:
after Woodgate folks wanted mid table stability.. we finished 10th

Warnock had the same record as Karanka.. all the praise for Wilder when he rode the wave with a fully fit squad. Same circumstances with injuries and Wilder lost the plot.
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Yep when I look at Karanka’s record and compare it to Warnock’s that’s what I see.

Then when Wilder took over I said to myself, well, Warnock would’ve done just as well with all these great players back fit.
 
newyddion said:
after Woodgate folks wanted mid table stability.. we finished 10th

Warnock had the same record as Karanka.. all the praise for Wilder when he rode the wave with a fully fit squad. Same circumstances with injuries and Wilder lost the plot.
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He absolutely did not.

Even including the Premier League season, Karanka had a significantly better PPG.

You've gone daft recently with your comments.
 
wilkos_perm said:
Just be honest, we were never going to winning 9 in a row at home under Warnock, we weren't going to be beating man utd and spurs, scoring late goals, or having a great atmosphere. We got a good few enjoyable months last season that looked far from likely under Wanock. Plus we were relieved of his "banter"
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23 league games unbeaten and winning 15 away matches with Scarborough

Back-to-back promotions with Notts County

Bottom of the table after a New Year run eight defeats in nine games, Torquay lost only five of their last 15 matches.

Ended Sheffield United’s twelfth straight season in the second tier

Saved QPR from the drop and then stormed the championship with the the next season..

I’m not sure if we would have pushed so hard against Spurs and Man Utd, in fact it would not surprise me at all if we didn’t crash out of the cup early doors.

I do think we would have made the playoffs 1.7ppg (after game 17) when all the players were back and a string January window.

Wilders 1.65ppg didn’t cut the mustard
 
BobendBert said:
If Clattermole gets the job we might as well all pack up and go home.

Lovely bit of history re-writing as well on this thread. Warnock was god awful.
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Imagine taking Ryan Fredericks, Kenneth Omerou, Ben Gibson & George Friend out of the 2014/15 squad!

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I wish we weren't at a stage firing another manager but to be honest, whether I am right or wrong I don't know, I just didn't trust CW since our form de-railed last season/the Burnley flirtation. I didn't like some of his post-match statements since that period, he struck me as spiteful and wrecked the confidence of many of our key players IMO. Arguably dispirited the whole squad and it could have a lasting effect, with the way we look right now. I got the impression CW was a much more dignified man with more integrity before he arrived here but don't see that now.

I get the hierarchy really let CW down and he was totally right to be seething about how things went down in the Summer window, but I just felt he took it out on the players and in some ways aimed digs at the fans, even, towards the end of his time. Like he lost it and was doing his best to get fired.

Whatever happened BTS, it clearly was not a happy place being at Rockliffe. There were rumours of him almost 'coming to blows' with Leo which I could actually believe, but I guess it's likely they were not true at the time.

I was happy when he signed on for us. I really did think it was a great fit. But then again, I did about Garry Monk.

He just wasn't the man, it happens, but I seriously think the club needs to re-think the way we are recruiting for the next guy.

Nothing against Cattermole at all, I hope he has a great career in management and one day here if that is what he wants ... but not now as we're in a relegation fight and he has a lot to learn. It just seems insane but if that is the way that Gibson wants to go again despite seeing what happened with Woodgate, I would love Catts to prove me wrong and shock me. Even if he kept us up by goal difference, I'd applaud that :ROFLMAO:
 
Otto42 said:
Cattermole is a pound shop Woodgate, which was a pound shop Southgate, which is where are decline started😡
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Three very different players/coaches/managers

The decline started with Southgate? Jeepers! as I,ve said before.. we would have to win a European cup final to progress from the season before Southgate. How realistic would that be having to cut costs and not being able to buy players?

Southgate is one of the most successful england managers of all time, Woodgate did better with less than a lot more experienced coaches in the championship. He cut costs, operated on a shoestring and developed academy players.
 
atypical_boro said:
I get that people are underwhelmed by the appointment of Cattermole (as I will be if it happens) but I don’t think anyone can categorically say it’s the wrong move until he actually takes charge of a few games.
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I can categorically say it will be a disaster, not a chance it ends any other way
 
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