What a mistake sacking Wilder.

Redlips

Redlips

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I honestly thought we had the best manager we had since Rioch.

Almost instant results from sacking Warnock.

Great football and a connection with the fans and team.

We sold our best player in the summer in Tav and our tactics got sussed us.

The Cardiff game was the example of us being sussed.

Was the issue we never had players to made the system work?

Sometimes sticking by a manager during the tough times pays off.

We are going to have to pay wilder and his staff off now. We could used that money to buy better players in January.

The managers linked don’t inspire me and we are no better off in sacking him.

Bernie Slaven nailed it in his tweet

“Well the speculation continues regarding Middlesbrough’s next COACH - I have to say some of the names being mentioned are laughable,embarrassing + disturbing”.

Can we take the sacking back??
 
Redlips said:
I honestly thought we had the best manager we had since Rioch.

Almost instant results from sacking Warnock.

Great football and a connection with the fans and team.

We sold our best player in the summer in Tav and our tactics got sussed us.

The Cardiff game was the example of us being sussed.

Was the issue we never had players to made the system work?

Sometimes sticking by a manager during the tough times pays off.

We are going to have to pay wilder and his staff off now. We could used that money to buy better players in January.

The managers linked don’t inspire me and we are no better off in sacking him.

Bernie Slaven nailed it in his tweet

“Well the speculation continues regarding Middlesbrough’s next COACH - I have to say some of the names being mentioned are laughable,embarrassing + disturbing”.

Can we take the sacking back??
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Overrated in my book. I think we should have stuck with Warnock, would have got same results, probably finished similar area, without leaving club a basket case.

Wilder is mainly rated due to eye catching cup runs. NW would have had us out of the cup, focused on top 6.
 
Redlips said:
I honestly thought we had the best manager we had since Rioch.
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You were wrong
Redlips said:
Almost instant results from sacking Warnock.
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and key players returning from injury
Redlips said:
Great football and a connection with the fans and team.
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Warnock’s players played and the fans continued the good feeling he brought
Redlips said:
We sold our best player in the summer in Tav and our tactics got sussed us.
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So.. would our best ever manager not change tactics to suit one player not being in the team?
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The Cardiff game was the example of us being sussed.
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But he did nothing about it
Redlips said:
Was the issue we never had players to made the system work?
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We never had the players, staff, club, fans to satisfy the manager.
Redlips said:
Sometimes sticking by a manager during the tough times pays off.
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Not if the tough times include him slagging players and meeting with other clubs!
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We are going to have to pay wilder and his staff off now. We could used that money to buy better players in January.
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No payout apparently..
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The managers linked don’t inspire me and we are no better off in sacking him.
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He was less than 1 point per game.. Leo has us at 1.5 point per game.
Redlips said:
Bernie Slaven nailed it in his tweet
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F**king hell! Bernie is a very bitter man who is paid off likes and shares..
Redlips said:
“Well the speculation continues regarding Middlesbrough’s next COACH - I have to say some of the names being mentioned are laughable,embarrassing + disturbing”.
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Bernie is turning into a massive dikc head
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Can we take the sacking back??
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Maybe we can take Garry Monk back too!!
 
I think we all thought we had the best manager since Rioch in Wilders early days but then he got his head turned and that trust was gone and it’s been clear that it couldn’t be repaired.

Also if you’re quoting someone as bitter and ‘controversial for the sake of it’ like Slaven then I’d suggest you’re not going to find many people agreeing
 
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The whole situation with the Warnock out Wilder in was handled so poorly. I felt embarrassed for MFC that we discarded NW like a stray dog and brought in someone who had possibly had some baggage at his previous club.

Warnock had done a very decent job, all things considered, even though he knew he was a temp but we really came out of that looking second rate imo.
 
Aet290204 said:
Right to get rid.

Tbh I’m just massively disappointed with Wilder for his disloyalty.

Shame Steve Gibson didn’t have a Plan B
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He went all in with Wilder, would have been a bit wrong to be looking for the next big thing.. like we did with Southgate and Warnock.
 
Oh dear. It was incumbent on mfc to make sure that wilder was on board with the direction of the club. Did they? I have no idea. If they did. Why did it go wrong? Again I have no idea.

The assumptions on this board about what happened are a tad childish. What we do know is we give a manager 12 months. If it doesn't work we sack them. It's not really a recipe for success.

Wilder is a good manager, his history tells us that. Never the less we sacked him. Hmmmm we ate going no where with this business model. I really don't care who takes over. Its short term is and it doesn't work.
 
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Oh dear. It was incumbent on mfc to make sure that wilder was on board with the direction of the club. Did they? I have no idea. If they did. Why did it go wrong? Again I have no idea.

The assumptions on this board about what happened are a tad childish. What we do know is we give a manager 12 months. If it doesn't work we sack them. It's not really a recipe for success.

Wilder is a good manager, his history tells us that. Never the less we sacked him. Hmmmm we ate going no where with this business model. I really don't care who takes over. Its short term is and it doesn't work.
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Wilder nodded and took the money.. he wanted more and he wanted it elsewhere.
 
The facts are straightforward. Wilder has been successful (and not just a little bit successful but very successful) at every club he's been at.

Boro, on the other hand, have gone through 5 managers in 5 seasons getting progressively worse along the way.

It is clear that Wilder was a good appointment and it was definitely a mistake to sack him. The problems to me seem to stem from the structure. We either don't get in managers that understand or buy into the structure or we don't keep our end of the bargain or the structure is implemented really badly. It's probably a combination of all 3.

I think the truth is that he went outside of his comfort zone with Karanka, gave him free reign free reign and he didn't like it so then retreated to what he knew, taking back full control over something he doesn't have the ability to run properly. Insular and small time thinking.

Wilder seems to have gone down the same path. So the so called 'structure' has cost us good managers.
 
BobendBert said:
The facts are straightforward. Wilder has been successful (and not just a little bit successful but very successful) at every club he's been at.

Boro, on the other hand, have gone through 5 managers in 5 seasons getting progressively worse along the way.

It is clear that Wilder was a good appointment and it was definitely a mistake to sack him. The problems to me seem to stem from the structure. We either don't get in managers that understand or buy into the structure or we don't keep our end of the bargain or the structure is implemented really badly. It's probably a combination of all 3.

I think the truth is that he went outside of his comfort zone with Karanka, gave him free reign free reign and he didn't like it so then retreated to what he knew, taking back full control over something he doesn't have the ability to run properly. Insular and small time thinking.

Wilder seems to have gone down the same path. So the so called 'structure' has cost us good managers.
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Monk - had to get rid
Pulis - damage control
Woodgate - cut the costs
Warnock - save from relegation
Wilder - had a wondering eye

We improved under Warnock at least
 
Colin Warnek said:
Overrated in my book. I think we should have stuck with Warnock, would have got same results, probably finished similar area, without leaving club a basket case.

Wilder is mainly rated due to eye catching cup runs. NW would have had us out of the cup, focused on top 6.
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Come on, I think we brought him in because he'd been promoted at every single club he'd ever managed and was Premier League Manager of the Year a couple of years ago.. not his cup runs.
 
BobendBert said:
The facts are straightforward. Wilder has been successful (and not just a little bit successful but very successful) at every club he's been at.

Boro, on the other hand, have gone through 5 managers in 5 seasons getting progressively worse along the way.

It is clear that Wilder was a good appointment and it was definitely a mistake to sack him. The problems to me seem to stem from the structure. We either don't get in managers that understand or buy into the structure or we don't keep our end of the bargain or the structure is implemented really badly. It's probably a combination of all 3.

I think the truth is that he went outside of his comfort zone with Karanka, gave him free reign free reign and he didn't like it so then retreated to what he knew, taking back full control over something he doesn't have the ability to run properly. Insular and small time thinking.

Wilder seems to have gone down the same path. So the so called 'structure' has cost us good managers.
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Concur with your sentiments entirely.
As others have mentioned - the problem the Club has is structural.
We could have any Manager and balls things up - as 5 in the last 5 shows.
 
Boro999 said:
Wilder never had a wandering eye. He wanted success, he wanted backing, he wanted to take boro to the premier league.. he was appointed with false promises..
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He certainly didnt appear to receive what he expected [from what we "know"].
Chris Wilder asserted in his last Media Conference - ".....you dont turn from a good Manager to a bad Manager overnight...."
When he said that it raised the question of [why] is that coming out?
Its like pleading innocence before being asked if someone is guilty:unsure:
 
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