What a Friendly act by France.

Refugees is not just a UK issue. I work with plenty of other nationalities and they say the same when mentioned.
 
Mattss9 said:
So if everyone who spoke English and wanted to come to the UK, where would we put them. As you know the NHS is creaking under the pressure of the people in the country at moment.
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I don't think everyone who speaks English (1.268 billion of them, or thereabouts, more than Mandarin speakers) would want to come to the UK, so the rest of the post's meaningless.
 
Refugees are a humanitarian problem.
‘a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.’
 
Mattss9 said:
What I don't get is why the refugees want to come to the UK. We are continual told on here that we are going to be worst off in the UK after Brexit is completed. They still come, going through Germany and France to get here why?
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Germany has over a million refugees. We have a tenth of that.

France has three times the amount of refugees we do. The reality is entirely different to your perception.
This is according to the UNHCR and the world bank
 
I can only speak for France, but those that speak french or have relatives stay here - the french just don't make such a song and dance about it. Most going to the UK go because of the language, relatives and an outdated idea of the life they can live in the UK.

My house borders the main Tours-Le Mans railway that heads due north and is only a kilometre from the A28 motorway. It's not unusual to see one or two migrants heading north along the railway. I've tried a few times to intercept them to have a chat, but they are just too wary and melt away into the woods. You can't blame them although I have nothing but pity and admiration for them. There are regular drops by couriers in the area resulting in the closure of some Aires/Services. There are also occasional sweeps by gendarmes to clear temporary drop sites.

The french police have been very active and quite brutal in their treatment of the camps set up around Calais over a period of years. Sadly this is part of the reason why more and more immigrants are taking extreme risks to make the crossing as this report from a year ago illustrates.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ion-peak-in-france-bid-halt-channel-crossings
 
The UK should take its share of genuine refugees, and they should be welcomed and given the protection and safety they need.

What the UK cannot continue doing is taking in hundreds of illegal economic migrants each week. It is not sustainable and will only add to the existing problems such as poverty, homelessness and unemployment.
 
1finny said:
Refugees are a humanitarian problem.
‘a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.’
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I get that finny but why cross the whole continent of europe to come to the UK.
 
Mattss9 said:
What I don't get is why the refugees want to come to the UK. We are continual told on here that we are going to be worst off in the UK after Brexit is completed. They still come, going through Germany and France to get here why?
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If the way that the French police dealt with the migrant camp in Calais a few years ago that might explain why they would look to move to the UK? Could be many factors, English speaking, family or friends living here etc

You have no idea on their situation, try to show a bit of compassion
 
Ours was not a declining economy until the Coronavirus, so I suppose one must now give that label to the whole world economy, which rather nullifies that point.
 
Proof you see what you believe.

You might see the French Navy watching that refugees don't drown if their overloaded boat gets into trouble or you might see the French Navy encouraging illegal immigration.

I think if you "see" the latter you are a very poor human being.
 
Muttley said:
Proof you see what you believe.

You might see the French Navy watching that refugees don't drown if their overloaded boat gets into trouble or you might see the French Navy encouraging illegal immigration.

I think if you "see" the latter you are a very poor human being.
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Does make you wonder though how so many get to the point of being in an overloaded dinghy in the middle of the English Channel though? You'd hope that the French, and other country's authorities, would notice hundreds of people travelling through their countries on a daily basis.

It doesn't make you a poor human being to have concerns about illegal people trafficking.
 
uncle_rico said:
Does make you wonder though how so many get to the point of being in an overloaded dinghy in the middle of the English Channel though? You'd hope that the French, and other country's authorities, would notice hundreds of people travelling through their countries on a daily basis.

It doesn't make you a poor human being to have concerns about illegal people trafficking.
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That's a fair comment. I don't consider the OP that. This situation demonstrates the agenda that Farage is pushing.

Demonise poor people attempting to illegally enter the country and convince they are the source of all problems.

If you're a citizen of Europe you've won the lottery. Go life in other places and understand why others are willing to risk everything to get here.
 
Do the French (or any other nationality) have the right to stop someone from leaving their country?
What business of the French is it as to what country somebody is going to?
 
uncle_rico said:
Does make you wonder though how so many get to the point of being in an overloaded dinghy in the middle of the English Channel though?
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Did you stop to think how long the French coast is? Even if you reduce the length of coast to that within say 50 miles of the English coast that is quite a stretch and how many places where it would be possible to launch a dinghy in that area. Almost impossible to stop them launching I would think. So what do you expect the French Navy to do once they are on the sea?

This is the sort of nonsense that Farage and co. use to peddle their rhetoric of fear and xenophobia.
 
Muttley said:
Did you stop to think how long the French coast is? Even if you reduce the length of coast to that within say 50 miles of the English coast that is quite a stretch and how many places where it would be possible to launch a dinghy in that area. Almost impossible to stop them launching I would think. So what do you expect the French Navy to do once they are on the sea?

This is the sort of nonsense that Farage and co. use to peddle their rhetoric of fear and xenophobia.
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Not really, they're leaving Calais and landing on the Kent coast, and in almost all cases are picked up by UK border force. They aren't crossing from Normandy to Portsmouth, they're understandably and sensibly taking the shortest route. If we can pick them up coming in, the French can surely narrow it down to where they are leaving.

For the record, I think Farage is a d!ck, but turning a blind eye to it isn't going to help the problems previously mentioned such as poverty, homelessness and unemployment.
 
Trug said:
Do the French (or any other nationality) have the right to stop someone from leaving their country?
What business of the French is it as to what country somebody is going to?
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The french for their own nefarious reasons are actually trying to help the UK authorities. From my previous link:

"The controversial “migrant management strategy” is backed by the UK-France Coordination and Information Centre in Calais, which is staffed by Home Office border officials, National Crime Agency officers and British immigration enforcement staff.
The centre, funded by the UK, shares “real-time intelligence between UK and French agencies” and is dedicated to stopping refugees trying to cross the border."

Rico, if they could stop them they would - they can't and don't have the resources.
 
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