Well said Mark Drury

Jonny Ingbar said:
Of course not, but if he hadn't shown interest in the Burnley job then I'm absolutely sure he still have a little more time here.

Loyalty is a two way street.
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It is, but it also doesn't exist in Football.

At least we can be thankful we have a loyal owner, potentially one of the very few left, when even most chairmen these days don't really give a to55 about the club.

I'm always slightly bemused by the standards of loyalty to which supporters hold players and managers though. For Chris Wilder (insert: any player or manager) we are literally just another employer on their CV, basically a paycheck.
 
Wilder had been the master of his own downfall.
As Drury said, interest from both sides RE : the Burnley saga. And what Simon Jordan said was 100% spot on.
I really like Jordan but I didn't like what he said at the time. But in hindsight he was right. Wilder hanging players out to dry, calling signings 'development players' on numerous occasions in a thinly veiled criticism of the scouting philosophy not spending millions on players he probably wanted.
We all know Gykores was linked and Wilder makes a point of saying he was the 'best player on the pitch tonight' after the weekends game and we didn't sign him. Little digs in each prezzer distancing himself from the bad results.

I don't blame Gibson for trying his absolute best to give wilder every opportunity to turn the team around. He's a really good manager. There is proof of this and I'm sure Gibson was desperate for wilder to succeed.

As for the timing..... Gibson gives him 2 weeks of the international break to plan, prepare and drill tactical awareness into the players for an upcoming game against a team bottom of the league and see where we're at.

Gibson has given Wilder every opportunity to redeem himself to him and the fans after Burnlygate. But the players weren't buying into it. And I don't blame them. And I don't blame Gibson.

Wilder is the master of his own downfall.
 
BigAl76 said:
Wilder had been the master of his own downfall.
As Drury said, interest from both sides RE : the Burnley saga. And what Simon Jordan said was 100% spot on.
I really like Jordan but I didn't like what he said at the time. But in hindsight he was right. Wilder hanging players out to dry, calling signings 'development players' on numerous occasions in a thinly veiled criticism of the scouting philosophy not spending millions on players he probably wanted.
We all know Gykores was linked and Wilder makes a point of saying he was the 'best player on the pitch tonight' after the weekends game and we didn't sign him. Little digs in each prezzer distancing himself from the bad results.

I don't blame Gibson for trying his absolute best to give wilder every opportunity to turn the team around. He's a really good manager. There is proof of this and I'm sure Gibson was desperate for wilder to succeed.

As for the timing..... Gibson gives him 2 weeks of the international break to plan, prepare and drill tactical awareness into the players for an upcoming game against a team bottom of the league and see where we're at.

Gibson has given Wilder every opportunity to redeem himself to him and the fans after Burnlygate. But the players weren't buying into it. And I don't blame them. And I don't blame Gibson.

Wilder is the master of his own downfall.
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Spot on
 
Jedi boro said:
Yes it’s on bbc sounds 6pm show

www.bbc.co.uk

BBC Radio Tees Sport - Chris Wilder has left the club - BBC Sounds

The latest on Middlesbrough and Chris Wilder sacking
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Thanks, an interesting listen. Definitely sounds like the journo shackles have been loosened a bit and Drury/Johns have known much of what’s been going on.
I do not understand why the club thought it could possibly work out if it was known he was interested in the Burnley gig. Such a waste of 6 months. Such a self defeating thing to do, to persevere. It’s nuts that they didn’t boot him then!
Ho hum, onwards.
 
Also, it’s 99 % certain to be Edwards after listening to that, and Drury knows it.
Will get behind him, but underwhelming is the first word that springs to mind.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Thanks, an interesting listen. Definitely sounds like the journo shackles have been loosened a bit and Drury/Johns have known much of what’s been going on.
I do not understand why the club thought it could possibly work out if it was known he was interested in the Burnley gig. Such a waste of 6 months. Such a self defeating thing to do, to persevere. It’s nuts that they didn’t boot him then!
Ho hum, onwards.
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Well it worked out with Mcclaren and he did it twice
 
Another aspect: if it was so well known, or even just true TBH, that he’d courted Burnley and it made them doubt him to the point where they hold back on transfers, etc, then why on earth are they allowing him to hire new staff in the summer. It’s just another colossal waste of resources. How much of the money raised in the summer will be spent on payoffs for Wilder, Knill, Fettis, the stats bloke?

I’d also like to know why journalists aren’t reporting things. If they knew at Easter that Wilder was in for the Burnley job then report it. It’s literally your job.

What a mess. Again. 6 years of complete mess and a scandalous waste of time and resources. Monk, Pulis, Woodgate, Warnock, and now this. What a roll of honour.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Another aspect: if it was so well known, or even just true TBH, that he’d courted Burnley and it made them doubt him to the point where they hold back on transfers, etc, then why on earth are they allowing him to hire new staff in the summer. It’s just another colossal waste of resources. How much of the money raised in the summer will be spent on payoffs for Wilder, Knill, Fettis, the stats bloke?

I’d also like to know why journalists aren’t reporting things. If they knew at Easter that Wilder was in for the Burnley job then report it. It’s literally your job.

What a mess. Again. 6 years of complete mess and a scandalous waste of time and resources. Monk, Pulis, Woodgate, Warnock, and now this. What a roll of honour.
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It’s a complete shambles and we are just going round in circles, like we have since March 2017. Whoever comes in now is going to want to bring their own backroom team so more upheaval although it looks like Alan Fettis is staying for now, but that can soon change.

I wanted Wilder gone because we were failing on the pitch. Think I said on another thread that as much as we disagreed over the last week about what was going on with Wilder and the rumours surrounding him, I do think you were right with the Burnley and Bournemouth stuff being just noise and at the time there was no evidence. The furore around all that has probably contributed to Wilder’s downfall, but it appears that he has also made it difficult for Gibson to trust him and that is only ever going to go one way.

I’m not really enamoured with any of the names linked, and hopefully we can pull something out of the bag. Don’t really have much faith though given what’s gone on since Karanka left.

The local journos are controlled by the club and won’t want to be banned as the two gazette lads, which I am sure was meant as a warning to others.
 
Jedi boro said:
Really even after today you think Burnley was just noise ???
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Well before today it was because there wasn’t any hard evidence, just rumours. Now it’s starting to come out in the wash and we are finding out what many suspected and there was more to it. I said numerous times last week that something was not right and there must be something in it, but it was all just hear say before today.
 
I thought Burnley was media noise and that him not answering it directly was maybe him thinking it wasn’t worth crediting with a response. The second interview he gave, after Huddersfield, was a complete car-crash. But I still thought it was media noise TBH. Very naive by the sounds of it. Me, I mean.

It just looks like it was the wrong appointment now. He knew the structure before he took it. We obviously didn’t do due diligence as if we had then surely we’d have know he wouldn’t enjoy relinquishing control to others. He can’t have been the right fit for them so how are they going to get the next one right?

The interesting thing about this one today is the amount of stick the chairman got on the radio. I don’t normally listen to Tees unless I watch a game on our website, do people usually text and email in having a pop at him? I always remember being aimed at the manager, players, Bausor and Gill years ago. But never the chairman.
 
It just always seems that our search for the next manager doesn’t go very far. There must be another gem learning their trade out there, like Graham Potter, who is worth taking that risk on.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I thought Burnley was media noise and that him not answering it directly was maybe him thinking it wasn’t worth crediting with a response. The second interview he gave, after Huddersfield, was a complete car-crash. But I still thought it was media noise TBH. Very naive by the sounds of it. Me, I mean.

It just looks like it was the wrong appointment now. He knew the structure before he took it. We obviously didn’t do due diligence as if we had then surely we’d have know he wouldn’t enjoy relinquishing control to others. He can’t have been the right fit for them so how are they going to get the next one right?

The interesting thing about this one today is the amount of stick the chairman got on the radio. I don’t normally listen to Tees unless I watch a game on our website, do people usually text and email in having a pop at him? I always remember being aimed at the manager, players, Bausor and Gill years ago. But never the chairman.
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I get that and I don’t blame your logic but to me it was the ALK thing and the noise that was coming not from the Teesside media but from the Sheffield media was quite revealing.
 
If this is ringing a few bells for Blades fans, it’s because ALK almost became the new owners at Bramall Lane in 2019.

Had Kevin McCabe won the legal battle for ownership of United, then he would have sold them to the American investors.

www.sheffieldunited.news

Why new Burnley owners ALK Capital may sound familiar to Sheffield United fans

New Burnley owners ALK Capital may sound familiar to Sheffield United fans and here's why.
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viv_andersons_nana said:
I thought Burnley was media noise and that him not answering it directly was maybe him thinking it wasn’t worth crediting with a response. The second interview he gave, after Huddersfield, was a complete car-crash. But I still thought it was media noise TBH. Very naive by the sounds of it. Me, I mean.

It just looks like it was the wrong appointment now. He knew the structure before he took it. We obviously didn’t do due diligence as if we had then surely we’d have know he wouldn’t enjoy relinquishing control to others. He can’t have been the right fit for them so how are they going to get the next one right?

The interesting thing about this one today is the amount of stick the chairman got on the radio. I don’t normally listen to Tees unless I watch a game on our website, do people usually text and email in having a pop at him? I always remember being aimed at the manager, players, Bausor and Gill years ago. But never the chairman.
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They get it right by getting a manager who fits the framework and works with it viv
 
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