We were beaten by one goal away

Borobuddah said:
From home, that’s all.

Of course we have had a horrible start in terms of results and I am concerned, but calls for the manager to be sacked or resign and for Gibbo to go, are frankly ridiculous imho
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We should be beating Blackburn our squad has had alot more spent on it. We took 4k they only had 12k home fans small tinpot club. They even had rudy Gestede as a legend 🤣
 
r00fie1 said:
But they`ve had some experience - and thats what counts.
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Alex Gilbert has zero Championship appearances. His main league experience is 8 appearances in League 2.

Coburn must have under 30 appearances at Championship level and what, 10 or 12 starts?

Sam Greenwood has 2 Championship appearances, 50% of them with us and both this season.
 
Caesium137 said:
Alex Gilbert has zero Championship appearances. His main league experience is 8 appearances in League 2.

Coburn must have under 30 appearances at Championship level and what, 10 or 12 starts?

Sam Greenwood has 2 Championship appearances, 50% of them with us and both this season.
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What do you suggest?
Carry on as we are?
I`m trying to think of solutions.
We are in the schit and we need to get out of it.
Use our energy to be positive.
 
He needs to bite the bullet puck his best 11 and stick by them that is they’ll gel.

Yesterday was basically an admission that he doesn’t trust them or even rate them.
 
r00fie1 said:
What do you suggest?
Carry on as we are?
I`m trying to think of solutions.
We are in the schit and we need to get out of it.
Use our energy to be positive.
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I've suggested stuff on other threads, I'm just pointing out you are saying use players with decent Champo experience. Which is obviously a good idea and why we should have tailored our signings to suit it.

But listing a random list of players some of whom have zero appearances at this level seems a bit nonsensical.

We had an opportunity to get a few experienced lads in, we chose not to.

The problem isn't experience, Fry and Howson have been two of our worst players for the majority of the season and they've got hundreds of games under their belts.

The issue is the way they are being setup and asked to play, look at the difference defensively in Mowbrays last twenty games and Karankas first twenty games.

We have the players to be better than we are, we need to adapt a system and style / approach that allows to get a foothold in the game before we try to play open and be expansive.

We're as soft as shight and far too easy to play against. I'd start there. We need some legs, power and aggression at centre mid. We need an actual captain and organiser on the field to bring the new/younger lads on.

We probably need an experienced older head next to Carrick in the dug out as was mooted when he joined.

We need to keep a clean sheet, not concede first, protect the back four more.
 
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The danger now is if we concede first our game plan goes out the window as we all know we are not scoring two.

So we are playing with fear.

As let’s be honest despite the OP slant on the score line we could easily have been 3 or even 4 down at half time.
 
Caesium137 said:
I've suggested stuff on other threads, I'm just pointing out you are saying use players with decent Champo experience. Which is obviously a good idea and why we should have tailored our signings to suit it.

But listing a random list of players some of whom have zero appearances at this level seems a bit nonsensical.

We had an opportunity to get a few experienced lads in, we chose not to.

The problem isn't experience, Fry and Howson have been two of our worst players for the majority of the season and they've got hundreds of games under their belts.

The issue is the way they are being setup and asked to play, look at the difference defensively in Mowbrays last twenty games and Karankas first twenty games.

We have the players to be better than we are, we need to adapt a system and style / approach that allows to get a foothold in the game before we try to play open and expansive.

We're as soft as shight and far too easy to play against. I'd start there. We need some legs, power and aggression at centre mid. We need an actual captain and organiser on the field to bring the new/younger lads on.

We probably need an experienced older head next to Carrick in the dug out as was mooted when he joined.

We need to keep a clean sheet, not concede first, protect the back four more.
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They are not just a "random set of players".
If thats your answer, you`ve missed the point.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We have to deal with the hear and now.
We have what we have and thats our starting point.
Whether we had a "chance" [?] to get in "older heads" [like who?] - thats irrelevant.
Lets go out this afternoon and get a couple off the shelf [?]
An "older head" next to Carrick [?]. Wno?
Was anyone questioning that last season?
We need solutions, not blame game.
 
r00fie1 said:
They are not just a "random set of players".
If thats your answer, you`ve missed the point.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We have to deal with the hear and now.
We have what we have and thats our starting point.
Whether we had a "chance" [?] to get in "older heads" [like who?] - thats irrelevant.
Lets go out this afternoon and get a couple off the shelf [?]
An "older head" next to Carrick [?]. Wno?
Was anyone questioning that last season?
We need solutions, not blame game.
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Pointless waffle Roofie, you are making the point I did, it isn't hindsight to say we need experienced additions, most of the board said it during the window as did Carrick.

Your list of players was pretty random as you said it was to demonstrate we need our experienced championship players to be utilised and two of those you listed have practically zero experience at this level.

I haven't blamed anyone, most of your bizarrely formatted points are nonsense and don't address any of the footballing points I've made either.

I'm simply saying we can't get anymore experience in the squad, and as an aside our experienced players have been dreadful too. Our failings are style / tactical choices from the head coach, it's not like every professional we have on the books is a bottom of the league level player. Like I said, if Karanka set this team up i doubt we'd be brilliant but we wouldn't have 1 point, no clean sheets and minus 9 GD six games in.

A good coach needs to be pragmatic at times, Carrick needs to find away to implement his passing style without being so open, to control the midfield, to keep a clean sheet.

Wilder was widely and soundly lambasted last season for a terrible start and refusing to change his formation/style when we didn't have the players to implement it, and it wasn't working at all.

We are in the exact same situation again 12 months later, but with a much weaker squad.

Wilder didn't change and we know how that ended, the ball is in Carrick's court. If we lose away, the next home game will be toxic as soon as there's the slightest error, or God forbid we go a goal down.

He's just has two weeks to sort us out on the training pitches, we looked worse in the first half than we have for the rest of the season.
 
We conceded first in lots of games under Carrick last season too, it is nothing new. The clear difference is our ability to play and pass while retaining possession like last season, we are being too intricate at times and at others individual players not seeing the right passes and deciding to take someone on and thus losing possession.

Their first goal yesterday was symptomatic of the problem. From the centre circle, 2 passes took out our entire team leaving their player the freedom of the penalty area to shoot past Dieng. One of those passes was a sideways pass to the touchline ffs. We are as weak as water out of possession, nobody looks interested in how to try to defend, we ball watch, let opposition make runs at will, we don’t anticipate danger, we don’t press from the front our midfield is overrun, our defence are pulled around like a dog with a rag doll. We are shambolic out of possession.

Yesterday Blackburn could and should have had 5 or 6. I don’t want to hear ‘but, but, but, we could have had 4’ The game was far too open, we were far too open, too slow to react, lacked fight and allowed Blackburn to advance at will. It was embarrassing to watch. We have recruited in Poundland and continue to do the same thing week after week after week pretending it’ll come good and gel. A win at Sheffield might paper over a few cracks, but it wont kick start the season without major effort and a change in attitude from the staff and players, christ knows what a defeat would do !!
 
Looking at the highlights I didn't see the whole game it looks quite like a under 21s game. A lot of open play and chances, but too many at our end.

Coluka - Neil Mellor of Sky was laughing how open we were in midfield for their second goal. He was laughing because he doesn't normally see such poor organisation and defending at this level.
 
Redwurzel said:
Looking at the highlights I didn't see the whole game it looks quite like a under 21s game. A lot of open play and chances, but too many at our end.

Coluka - Neil Mellor of Sky was laughing how open we were in midfield for their second goal. He was laughing because he doesn't normally see such poor organisation and defending at this level.
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If Mellor can see it and I can see it, I would hope and expect MC and JW can see it. The thing is our £50M forward and supply line masked it last season, this season our poundland punts are too inexperienced, naive and unwilling to put in the hard yards. Coaching staff have to accept the organisational responsibility to get them doing it, even if they are poor at it. It was the same at other games we are not switched on to danger and Carrick yesterday fooled nobody with his words except himself and maybe his players. I feel for him though as he has been given the task of turning a bunch of U/21’s into a Championship team. It may come good in time, I hope it does, but Gibson gets trigger finger in October normally. We are a shambles at forward planning.
 
sweet_left_foot said:
for the avoidance of doubt, I am not advocating the return of Chris Wilder :)
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Me either but I am alluding to the change coming from sacking the manager, who if i remember correctly was hailed as the second coming and one of the best managers we've had in years. Most people will deny that was ever said but it was. I appreciate CW and MC are worlds apart personality wise but performance and team selections are worryingly similar.
 
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