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18MFC76 said:
Poor signing Akpom. Hardly surprising when you look at his record before joining us. He was never going to come here and bang in 20 a season.
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Agreed, but you can't cut him slack for not having a striker when he signed his "number one target" as a striker and who turned out to be pretty terrible.

They're the decisions he should be judged on.
 
JM14 said:
Not one single person on this thread has said they dont like him just because he likes Boris Johnson
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To be honest, it would be a ridiculous thing to do.

I suppose you can spin his record with the club to date but remember where we were when he took over. He saved us on a shoestring. This season he appears to have a bit more financial support so maybe judge him in January
 
This thread will probably annoy Warnock. I am sure he’s reading it. Can we just put all our political leanings to one side and back the football team which includes the manager. He made a bad choice in regards to bringing certain things up in press conferences and after reading this I’m sure he regrets it. Time to move on now. Big season ahead
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
To be honest, it would be a ridiculous thing to do.

I suppose you can spin his record with the club to date but remember where we were when he took over. He saved us on a shoestring. This season he appears to have a bit more financial support so maybe judge him in January
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Politics are up to him at the end of the day, thats not the issue people have with this though

His record at this level speaks for itself, and the football he had us playing at the start of last season was the best seen in a long while. Worry is once he brought in his own players who should be very good at this level in January, we completely fell apart. If we carry any of that into this season we could easily go down. We need someone with a long term plan though, it just feels like a season wasted if he will retire next season anyway.

Really hope im wrong but I really do fear for us this season if we cant get the players in over the next few weeks, feel we are considerably weaker than the squad that finished last season
 
Diego said:
This thread will probably annoy Warnock. I am sure he’s reading it. Can we just put all our political leanings to one side and back the football team which includes the manager. He made a bad choice in regards to bringing certain things up in press conferences and after reading this I’m sure he regrets it. Time to move on now. Big season ahead
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When I was a wee boy I was always told, topics to never get involved in discussing were, a lady's age, how much money you earn, politics. Just ladies ages missing off that list from this board recently I think 🤣
 
JM14 said:
Politics are up to him at the end of the day, thats not the issue people have with this though

His record at this level speaks for itself, and the football he had us playing at the start of last season was the best seen in a long while. Worry is once he brought in his own players who should be very good at this level in January, we completely fell apart. If we carry any of that into this season we could easily go down. We need someone with a long term plan though, it just feels like a season wasted if he will retire next season anyway.

Really hope im wrong but I really do fear for us this season if we cant get the players in over the next few weeks, feel we are considerably weaker than the squad that finished last season
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There clearly is a long term approach and Warnock is playing his part in the transition. He is building a steady platform for us to really go and be successful, we wouldn’t bother signing Scott from Norwich as Sporting director if there was no plan. It will probably just be 1 year of Warnock, I’m sure we have it in us fo back the team in that 1 year and see where it takes us. Who knows it could take us to the premier league and we may be in a position where we can attract some great managers; let’s just enjoy the ride.
 
JM14 said:
We need someone with a long term plan though, it just feels like a season wasted if he will retire next season anyway.
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It looks like things are happening behind the scenes to address this with the guy from Norwich - maybe NW is a part of the planning process, who knows?
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I suppose you can spin his record with the club to date but remember where we were when he took over. He saved us on a shoestring. This season he appears to have a bit more financial support so maybe judge him in January
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Jury is out for me. I appreciate his first 6 months where he unravelled the Woodgate/Gibson produced mess. That was probably the worst season we have had and worst league position since 1986. That's some low and it would have been worse but for Warnock.

He had a decent first half to last season, the entertainment was mediocre, and goals in short supply, but there was a professionalism to our displays. But it really fell apart after christmas, multitude of reasons, not all in his control, had bad luck with injuries, but also he failed to take advantage of the players he had at his disposal. Didn't really get a tune out of Kebano, failed to get anything at all out of Britt, Akpom was a complete and utter flop, Betenelli was a baffling signing and giving Howson a long term contract seemed daft.

But the biggest issue is that he can turn a rag tag team into a solid side, but he isn't ever going to be progressive, innovative, tactical, he relies on being the cream in a cup of mediocrity. Maybe, maybe this season, covid means sides will tighten their finances and he can do it again, maybe not. Regardless I want him to retire next year and hope we get a more tactical, more inventive and more modern manager. Someone that can start to build on a philosophy of attacking on the deck football, rather than get it forward early and hold it up until you get support that Warnock prefers.
 
Diego said:
This thread will probably annoy Warnock. I am sure he’s reading it. Can we just put all our political leanings to one side and back the football team which includes the manager. He made a bad choice in regards to bringing certain things up in press conferences and after reading this I’m sure he regrets it. Time to move on now. Big season ahead
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It's not just about the politics, as others have said - it's about his whole personality and lack of progress / success.

Fans wanted Woodgate out because he wasn't getting the most of the players at his disposal and was "under achieving" with that group of players, so how come Warnock then is excused the average points total because of the players he had to work with ?
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
It looks like things are happening behind the scenes to address this with the guy from Norwich - maybe NW is a part of the planning process, who knows?
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Maybe but I'd be surprised, Warnock is a bit too old school to push that kind of forward thinking isn't he? I don't think I've ever heard him use the word philosophy (there's a challenge for you Neil if you read this, slip a bit of banter about philosophy and professionalisation into your next press conference). He's from the 'football as a cottage industry' era, not the professionalisation of the industry.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
It's not just about the politics, as others have said - it's about his whole personality and lack of progress / success.

Fans wanted Woodgate out because he wasn't getting the most of the players at his disposal and was "under achieving" with that group of players, so how come Warnock then is excused the average points total because of the players he had to work with ?
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Fans wanted Woodgate out because he didn’t have a clue what he was doing. Warnock does.
 
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BoroMart said:
Jury is out for me. I appreciate his first 6 months where he unravelled the Woodgate/Gibson produced mess. That was probably the worst season we have had and worst league position since 1986. That's some low and it would have been worse but for Warnock.

He had a decent first half to last season, the entertainment was mediocre, and goals in short supply, but there was a professionalism to our displays. But it really fell apart after christmas, multitude of reasons, not all in his control, had bad luck with injuries, but also he failed to take advantage of the players he had at his disposal. Didn't really get a tune out of Kebano, failed to get anything at all out of Britt, Akpom was a complete and utter flop, Betenelli was a baffling signing and giving Howson a long term contract seemed daft.

But the biggest issue is that he can turn a rag tag team into a solid side, but he isn't ever going to be progressive, innovative, tactical, he relies on being the cream in a cup of mediocrity. Maybe, maybe this season, covid means sides will tighten their finances and he can do it again, maybe not. Regardless I want him to retire next year and hope we get a more tactical, more inventive and more modern manager. Someone that can start to build on a philosophy of attacking on the deck football, rather than get it forward early and hold it up until you get support that Warnock prefers.
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When he was appointed I thought he's here to save us - he did that, and then suddenly we looked like we were on course to make the play-offs, we fell short for one reason or another (personally, I think we were saddled with quite a few disinterested journeymen).
I only ever saw his appointment as a bridge to what happens next, I mean he could have walked at the end of last season. I hope the new DOF and SG have a plan in mind for the end of the coming season, whatever division we are in.
 
@Wiseman_Vaughn absolutely, I hope they have started their succession planning. They need a proper strategic vision of the playing phisophy that Woodgate described as 'the golden thread'. He was right, you need a consistent way of playing, so that your scouts buy players for the philosophy not for an individual manager who will be gone within 2 1/2 years, you need a youth team that plays the same philosophy so players come through with the right experiences and skills. We've flip-flopped in management styles from passing to pragmatic too much and it's stalled the clubs progress. Karanka for his inter personal skill faults tried to professionalise the club more and we shouldn't have torn that up and handed the keys to Monk and then Pulis to rip everything up again. We went from a Director of Football with Karanka-Orta to letting Monk have free reign to overpay on poor players, and then on Pulis to waste what we had on experienced workmanlike players and fall short and saddle us with more issues.

We can't keep repeating the same mistakes.
 
BoroMart said:
@Wiseman_Vaughn absolutely, I hope they have started their succession planning. They need a proper strategic vision of the playing phisophy that Woodgate described as 'the golden thread'. He was right, you need a consistent way of playing, so that your scouts buy players for the philosophy not for an individual manager who will be gone within 2 1/2 years, you need a youth team that plays the same philosophy so players come through with the right experiences and skills. We've flip-flopped in management styles from passing to pragmatic too much and it's stalled the clubs progress. Karanka for his inter personal skill faults tried to professionalise the club more and we shouldn't have torn that up and handed the keys to Monk and then Pulis to rip everything up again. We went from a Director of Football with Karanka-Orta to letting Monk have free reign to overpay on poor players, and then on Pulis to waste what we had on experienced workmanlike players and fall short and saddle us with more issues.

We can't keep repeating the same mistakes.
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Absolutely! JW had the right idea but lacked experience and was in way too deep - again, he was saddled with quite a few that were not commited to the club and he struggled to bring his vision to life. I still think that JW might come good in the end.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
It's not just about the politics, as others have said - it's about his whole personality and lack of progress / success.

Fans wanted Woodgate out because he wasn't getting the most of the players at his disposal and was "under achieving" with that group of players, so how come Warnock then is excused the average points total because of the players he had to work with ?
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Fans wanted Woodgate out because we were going down, it is as simple as that man.
 
indeedido said:
I worry a little about Tav and injuries. I don't know whether it is the type of game he plays, or his body, but he always seems to be on the edge of fitness?
I know that we really need him this season.
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If you could keep him fit for 2 seasons straight I think he could develop into the best midfielder in the championship....big IF though
 
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