Vaccine passports or lateral test for Wembley games

Funky_Chicken

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No not seriously

I think anything that reduces the risk of transmission is worthwhile. I'm fascinated by Funky & Randy insisting that vaccines must be 100% effective in preventing transmission but have no problem with testing being imperfect.
No no no ! Not what has been said at all. The question was what is the purpose of a so called vaccine passport - we’ve already established that vaccines don’t prevent or stop transmission so other than an attempt to coerce people into having a vaccine i don’t see their purpose.



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No no no ! Not what has been said at all. The question was what is the purpose of a so called vaccine passport - we’ve already established that vaccines don’t prevent or stop transmission so other than an attempt to coerce people into having a vaccine i don’t see their purpose.



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So if the only purpose of passports is only to encourage takeup of the vaccine what is the purpose of using the equally useless lateral flow tests?
 

SmallTown

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No no no ! Not what has been said at all. The question was what is the purpose of a so called vaccine passport - we’ve already established that vaccines don’t prevent or stop transmission so other than an attempt to coerce people into having a vaccine i don’t see their purpose.



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Because they reduce....

Oh jesus, this is hard work. I don't like repeating myself at the best of times. You have issues Funky, serious issues
 
No no no ! Not what has been said at all. The question was what is the purpose of a so called vaccine passport - we’ve already established that vaccines don’t prevent or stop transmission so other than an attempt to coerce people into having a vaccine i don’t see their purpose.



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They’re a token gesture



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Thank you. So whilst LFT just make people FEEL safer vaccine passports make people feel safer and encourage take up of the vaccine.

I agree there is an element of encouragement in offering vaccine passports as an alternative to a -ve test result.
 

rob_fmttm

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It would be totally remiss of the authorities not to take every possible step to make watching the games as safe as possible.
 

Funky_Chicken

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Because they reduce....

Oh jesus, this is hard work. I don't like repeating myself at the best of times. You have issues Funky, serious issues
I’ve never heard such rubbish in all my days. Are the unvaccinated to be excluded from everyday life for ever then ? Every single person who has had a vaccine has a chance, even though it’s reduced, of catching and passing on the virus but they get preferential treatment over the unvaccinated 🤔 as i said earlier this is medical apartheid and non of us, vaccinated or not should be tolerating this kind of draconian nonsense



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bear66

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I’ve never heard such rubbish in all my days. Are the unvaccinated to be excluded from everyday life for ever then ? Every single person who has had a vaccine has a chance, even though it’s reduced, of catching and passing on the virus but they get preferential treatment over the unvaccinated 🤔 as i said earlier this is medical apartheid and non of us, vaccinated or not should be tolerating this kind of draconian nonsense



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The unvaccinated aren't banned from anywhere so they aren't banned forever as they're not banned at all.
 

Funky_Chicken

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That’s good so you do take action to mitigate risk for others then.
Let’s be honest, most masks are next to useless - they’re either just poor quality or simply not even worn properly, or a combination of both. I’d accept that a high quality medical standard mask worn correctly could cut transmission though



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Cardiffdaffs

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Let’s be honest, most masks are next to useless - they’re either just poor quality or simply not even worn properly, or a combination of both. I’d accept that a high quality medical standard mask worn correctly could cut transmission though



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I agree with some of your comments and I don’t want to change the subject to masks. They are not useless. I have spent my whole working life commuting on packed tubes and trains to central London and I used to contract all sorts of colds and flus throughout the year from being up and close to fellow travellers coughing sneezing and wheezing into tissues.


I continued to travel in over the past year with a mask on. I have not had one cold. For me when all this is over I will contunue to wear a mask on transport because I am convinced they help. Worn properly over the nose and mouth. Not 100% but they help. Many Chinese and Japanese wear mask all the time in public and I’m beginning to understand why.
 
This from the government’s own website on vaccines 🤔



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Funky

Imagine 100 people who are at high risk of hospitalization. Let's say their risk, if they get covid, of requiring a hospital stay is 80%.

Let's say that 95% of them choose to be vaccinated and the vaccine is 90% effective in preventing hospitalization.

Those 100 people are all exposed to covid. 80% of the five unvaccinated people need to go to hospital. That's 4 people.

Of those that had the vaccines the number that will have to go to hospital is 95 x .08 which is 7 or 8.

So there are more vaccinated people in hospital than unvaccinated.

If no one was vaccinated then 80 people would be in hospital.

Which is better 80 in hospital or 12?

All the probabilities are made up but aren't entirely unreasonable.
 

bear66

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Which is better, 80 people in hospital or 12?
The 1253 deaths were fewer than would have been expected from the age demography of those vaccinated over that period of time. So vaccination must increase life expectancy on that basis, in addition to protecting you and others from coronavirus. Win / win.
 

nowthen

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I’ve never heard such rubbish in all my days. Are the unvaccinated to be excluded from everyday life for ever then ? Every single person who has had a vaccine has a chance, even though it’s reduced, of catching and passing on the virus but they get preferential treatment over the unvaccinated 🤔 as i said earlier this is medical apartheid and non of us, vaccinated or not should be tolerating this kind of draconian nonsense
I’m more than happy for the selfish to be excluded from events, holidays etc. That’ll be them doing there part. Cheers 👍
 
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