TheYorkshireTerrier
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Well... a few people have been saying this for months.
Massive if true.
Massive if true.
Urgent review into how PHE death figures
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Pak_Doo_Ik
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Apologies for my ignorance but is the thinking we've been over reporting?
Randy
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Basically nobody ever recovers from covid-19.
If you caught it in say March, got over it and died from a car accident in June you go on the list as a covid-19 positive death.
Alvez_48
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Could well be, not that I trust this government at all but it's impossible now to get an accurate picture of anything.
In my opinion we've clearly over inflated the numbers in an effort to justify the decades of NHS mishandling, Draconian bills and government policy. Now they want to open up so they will likely want to claim the numbers are higher than they are.
The fact is they enabled this kind of statistical shenanigans when they pushed ridiculous measures like letting care home owners declare deaths as covid with no medical training and no coroner.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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It goes a long to way to explain why deaths outside of hospitals are so much higher than in.
SmallTown
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They must do, or also the duplicitous , lying, incompetent Hancock wouldn't have ordered the report.
asredastheycome
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No problems with this as long as they also look at those who weren't put down as Covid deaths but clearly were.
Alvez_48
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You're just so wrong and nothing can help you see otherwise
asredastheycome
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I think that over the period of this pandemic the way deaths were calculated probably changed and evolved as things progressed. It was probably all trial and error.
SmallTown
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What makes you think this?
Bear seems to be one of the more level headed posters. Seems to be one of the few who fact-checks his posts
Alvez_48
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I like bear but there is 0 fact in the claim that we're under reporting figures, that sir is opinion.
Unfortunately it's almost impossible to try to figure out because of the changes in policy in reporting specifically covid deaths.
You now have this PHE debacle on top of that.
In normal circumstances you'd look at excess deaths but even that's no good because we turned off the NHS and fear made people stay away from A and E.
There were 8,000 'excess' deaths from October to December not one single post about it anywhere. We now have approximately 60,000 for 2020 and all of them according to some (bear included) are covid deaths.
That's why I state categorically in my first post that it is 'im my opinion'.
bear66
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In the week to 3 July the daily figures are were 717 deaths. The ONS report plus Scotland, Ireland and Wales came to 536 deaths. The deaths reported aren't over the same time frame as not all deaths that have occurred will be registered in that week and daily figures will be primarily the previous three days but not all, but it does suggest that the ONS is correcting the figures. The people who brought this to light believe that this method may have led to 1000 deaths being overreported, mainly in recent weeks, but the ONS has picked up much higher levels of underreporting since March.
SmallTown
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Curious that your explanation includes the phrase “in your opinion “ and state it’s “impossible to figure out” yet when querying bears post you used an absolute term that he was wrong? How can you prove whether he is right or wrong if you think it’s impossible?
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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We're going to get the true 65k figure then?
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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I wonder what those who have recovered from 'a virus' (the majority) were suffering from. Have they any suggestions?
Anybody come up with an answer for the excess deaths total yet?
Anybody come up with an answer for the excess deaths total yet?
motownjunk
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They are saying that at least in the short term the covid death figures are unlikely to change. But they are reviewing them, due to as pointed out that in england above once people test any death is counted as covid even if it almost certainly not related, such as a car accident. The other thing they are going to review is the serious long term health effects of covid, such as lung, kidney and heart damage which will certainly contribute to early deaths. We won't know these for years or even decades. I feel the best figure to use at the moment to tell us how deadly covid has been is to use the average excess deaths.