Unvaccinated 29 times more likely to be hospitalised

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tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I try to not get involved in these debates because it's generally the same people copying and posting govt sponsored links. Then the posts just drift on insentiently with further nothingness, just like the above pages. I stand by some things and I would change other things that I posted.

In answer to Rob's post, it is an experimental jab. The very fact that we don't know what the long term side effects are dictates that. Only time will tell if there are any side effects, which is why it's experimental. I know it's not what he or probably most want to read, but that's the reality.

I encourage everybody to have the vaccination if that's your choice, but I won't vilify or try to punish people who don't.

and Mutley i was dipping in and out earlier because today is my busiest day, hence being a bit disjointed.
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It simply isn't an experimental jab. It just isn't. It's been tested on millions and millions of people.

What is your end goal? Why are you trying to share anti vax nonsense
 
Smoggle said:
It’s not experimental, the vaccines have been part of the largest trials in history and a coordinated effort that was not possible (or desirable) prior to the pandemic. The ‘experimental’ phase is long over. You don’t usually see side effects with vaccines after 2 months at most, the world has been vaccinating for what, 7 months? I think we’d be seeing a lot more issues by now if the vaccines were flawed. Anyway, I have no problem with you other than to say maybe read some peer reviewed articles in serious publications and realise this is science vs fear and misinformation.
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Sod the peer reviewed articles, you got any YouTube videos with really dramatic music?
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
can you please confirm the length of these trials?
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Will you understand that the length isn’t everything?(fnarr fnarr) The trials were, if I’m not mistaken, the largest ever conducted on hundreds of thousands of people. The normal period for side effects has long passed for standard trials and millions of people are vaccinated without anything out of the ordinary occurring.

The difference of being vaccinated or not and the potential to catch, suffer from and die from Covid is plain as day.
 
Smoggle said:
The difference of being vaccinated or not and the potential to catch, suffer from and die from Covid is plain as day.
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I've had it possibly twice and possibly suffered from Long Covid pre Xmas 2020. I've been fine since.

I've lost friends through it. I went to a funeral last thursday. The effects are devastating, but being respectful to others is crucial.

I'll say it again, please have the vaccine if that's what you want but don't wish ill on those that won't have it. That wasn't aimed at you.
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
I've had it possibly twice and possibly suffered from Long Covid pre Xmas 2020. I've been fine since.

I've lost friends through it. I went to a funeral last thursday. The effects are devastating, but being respectful to others is crucial.

I'll say it again, please have the vaccine if that's what you want but don't wish ill on those that won't have it. That wasn't aimed at you.
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I’m not going to question anything you’ve said in that post, far from it. I’m sorry to hear of your losses and, like I said to the other poster earlier, I have no personal axe to grind on here and wish you health and happiness whether we agree or not.
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
the fact that i've questioned that we don't know what the long term side effects is anti vax? FFS

and i'll state it again if you want to have the vaccination then please have it. How is that anti vax? FFS
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Yes, it's entirely anti vax. It's sad really. And you didn't get the memo about vaccinated people being less likely to pass on the virus?
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
the point is that we don't know whether there are any long term side effects.
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We can be pretty certain because the technology of vaccination is well proven. Obviously you are picking on this single point as plainly we cannot have tested this vaccine for a period longer than (what?) 18 months. You have yet to apologise for the lie about CDC being a private company. I'm calling it a "lie" because you refuse to withdraw the mistake.

Are you familiar with the Flu Pandemic of 1957?
 
tonymcandrewshattrick said:
the point is that we don't know whether there are any long term side effects.

I support the vaccine. I don't know how many times I can write that tonight. xxx
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Like I’ve mentioned, vaccines like this show side effects within 2 months, if at all, that time scale is the ‘long term’ with this type of vaccine... mRNA vaccines do their thing and then are eliminated in the body quickly. We’ve had people vaccinated in massive numbers for far longer than 2 months and there is no reason to expect any abnormal side effects longer than that.
 
Muttley said:
We can be pretty certain because the technology of vaccination is well proven. Obviously you are picking on this single point as plainly we cannot have tested this vaccine for a period longer than (what?) 18 months.
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of course but it's an important one.

I stand by CDC and their partnership with CDC Foundation regarding a conflict of interests with regards funding. The list is extensive. I've already allured to maybe erring on the wrong side earlier in my post to you this evening.

I'll check back on the Flu Pandemic of 57.
 
Smoggle said:
Like I’ve mentioned, vaccines like this show side effects within 2 months, if at all, that time scale is the ‘long term’ with this type of vaccine... mRNA vaccines do their thing and then are eliminated in the body quickly. We’ve had people vaccinated in massive numbers for far longer than 2 months and there is no reason to expect any abnormal side effects longer than that.
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i'm just pointing out that it's an area of concern.
 
FYI The Flu Pandemic of 1957 is little known in the UK because a vaccine was developed to defeat it within weeks.

This from Wikipedia
The microbiologist Maurice Hilleman was alarmed by pictures of those affected by the virus in Hong Kong that were published in The New York Times. He obtained samples of the virus from a US Navy doctor in Japan. The Public Health Service released the virus cultures to vaccine manufacturers on 12 May 1957, and a vaccine entered trials at Fort Ord on 26 July and Lowry Air Force Base on 29 July.

The number of deaths peaked the week ending 17 October, with 600 reported in England and Wales. The vaccine was available in the same month in the United Kingdom. Although it was initially available only in limited quantities, its rapid deployment helped contain the pandemic. Hilleman's vaccine is believed to have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Some predicted that the U.S. death toll would have reached 1 million without the vaccine that Hilleman called for.
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As I said the technology of vaccination is proven.

So no, the limited time available for testing is not an important point. It is trivial. You are plainly finding yourself in a confirmation bubble with what you are fed from news feeds. Read some of the scientific studies on the vaccines (remember there are multiple versions) or talk to someone in the frontline a nurse or a doctor.
 
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