Unai Emery rejects the Geordies.

Over the last 10 seasons? Burnley won the FA cup in 1961. Everton?!?! You're kidding me. West Ham last won the cup in the 80s. Villa have won the league and European cup!!! In the 80s again. These are not small clubs who have recently overtaken Newcastle.

Newcastle last won a trophy in the 50s. Nearly all the clubs you mention have historically been more successful than Newcastle.

You're thinking of a five year period in their history when they were a club who challenged. Their usual place is with the also rans.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Over the last 10 seasons? Burnley won the FA cup in 1961. Everton?!?! You're kidding me. West Ham last won the cup in the 80s. Villa have won the league and European cup!!! In the 80s again. These are not small clubs who have recently overtaken Newcastle.

Newcastle last won a trophy in the 50s. Nearly all the clubs you mention have historically been more successful than Newcastle.

You're thinking of a five year period in their history when they were a club who challenged. Their usual place is with the also rans.
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When Ashley took over they were consistently playing in Europe and even had a few seasons in the champions league, since then all of those clubs mentioned from the top of my head (probably more I have missed) have been more successful than Newcastle despite being behind when he took over.

Since Ashley took over they had a net spend of around £100 million, thats in 13 years in the era of the richest tv deal in history, thats why they are a club that couldnt challenge. I struggle to understand anyone having a go at the fans for wanting the owner out who has caused that
 
JM14 said:
When Ashley took over they were consistently playing in Europe and even had a few seasons in the champions league, since then all of those clubs mentioned from the top of my head (probably more I have missed) have been more successful than Newcastle despite being behind when he took over.

Since Ashley took over they had a net spend of around £100 million, thats in 13 years in the era of the richest tv deal in history, thats why they are a club that couldnt challenge. I struggle to understand anyone having a go at the fans for wanting the owner out who has caused that
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Clubs get better clubs get worse. That's football. The season Ashley took over they finished 13th. Season he left twelfth. Regardless of how much money he spent he kept the club where they spent most of their time. And he left a solvent club ripe for takeover. Look at Leeds. Portsmouth if you want to see a badly run club. Leeds were in the champions League for a few seasons around the same time as Newcastle.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Clubs get better clubs get worse. That's football. The season Ashley took over they finished 13th. Season he left twelfth. Regardless of how much money he spent he kept the club where they spent most of their time. And he left a solvent club ripe for takeover. Look at Leeds. Portsmouth if you want to see a badly run club. Leeds were in the champions League for a few seasons around the same time as Newcastle.
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You can’t excuse someone’s failings because other clubs have done worse, that’s madness. Clubs don’t get better or worse by pure chance, it’s down to the owner.

They got relegated twice, only played in Europe 1/2 times, came nowhere near in any cup. They also spent on average around 10/15 million each season despite being in a tv deal worth billions. How can you even try to defend that?
 
It's not excusing things because of other clubs failings. it's looking at the situation in context and with perspective. He kept them in the division. In their historical position. Left them how he found them 13th to 12th. And they were in a good enough financial shape to be attractive to a wealthy despot. Anyhow I don't think I'm likely to persuade you so I'll leave it there.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It's not excusing things because of other clubs failings. it's looking at the situation in context and with perspective. He kept them in the division. In their historical position. Left them how he found them 13th to 12th. And they were in a good enough financial shape to be attractive to a wealthy despot. Anyhow I don't think I'm likely to persuade you so I'll leave it there.
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That’s hardly representative, they were in the champions league two years before he took over, and they would have almost certainly gone down this season if he didn’t sell. but it kind of proves my point though, he did nothing to improve them and didn’t even try to improve them.Would you accept it if Gibson set us up to finish mid table in the championship for the last 20 years and did nothing to try to improve our situation, and basically pocketed all the tv money?
 
[QUOTE="JM14, post: 559136, member: 786"They also spent on average around 10/15 million each season despite being in a tv deal worth billions. How can you even try to defend that?
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This fails to recognise the wages per season… they don’t play for free and has to come from somewhere or the fact he cleared them of external debt.

Should all the clubs not be ran on the same basis? Only spend what they earn.
 
Leicester, Wolves and Birmingham are all more successful than Newcastle in the last couple of decades. Newcastle's Champions League credentials were gained similarly to when Blackburn were in the Champions League. Historically 12th or 13th in the top flight is Newcastle's level.
 
Otto42 said:
Leicester, Wolves and Birmingham are all more successful than Newcastle in the last couple of decades. Newcastle's Champions League credentials were gained similarly to when Blackburn were in the Champions League. Historically 12th or 13th in the top flight is Newcastle's level.
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Since the start of the premier league, Newcastle had 8 top 7 finishes with 5 champions league finishes. Since Ashley took over they had 3 top half finishes with one season in Europe. Think that tells you all you need to know on how well he ran the club
 
They need a big name, a top international player who has connections with some of the biggest clubs in England and Europe and has also worn the black and white shirt as a player.

Step forward Jonny Woodgate! 😁
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It's not excusing things because of other clubs failings. it's looking at the situation in context and with perspective. He kept them in the division. In their historical position. Left them how he found them 13th to 12th. And they were in a good enough financial shape to be attractive to a wealthy despot. Anyhow I don't think I'm likely to persuade you so I'll leave it there.
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He did, or was it more a case that there were simply worse teams around? And you seem to forget they were twice relegated under Ashley, primarily due to the awful appointments he had made.
 
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