Unacceptible "Paedo" and offensive chants / behaviour at MFC / SAFC Game

outoftown said:
You think 20 fellas shouting paedo at a dad with his kids in the street , which is what it is, ( before or after a game ) isn't criminal ?
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It's criminal that you stood there counting! arrest them all prison time for all of them.. and you for incitement!
go-nads! said:
So the point you are making is that we should accept that socially unacceptable chanting is acceptable in a social environment
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yes
go-nads! said:
as long as it fits what you consider to be an acceptable level of unacceptability?
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yes
go-nads! said:
Does unacceptability need context?
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knock racism on the head
go-nads! said:
Weird you.
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often people project onto other people their own insecurities..
 
atypical_boro said:
So who shall we press charges against?

Get all 4000 in the dock and try to work out which ones seem more likely to have been involved?
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Be quite happy for them all to be punished for it, yeah.

We have loads of d***heads at away matches, if they're baselessly abusing a player and calling him a paedophile, they deserve punishing.
 
atypical_boro said:
4,000 Boro fans (or the majority of them) calling Patrick Bamford a paedo in unison is also a hate crime by that measure though. I imagine he just thought to himself 'what a bunch of thick morons' when it happened, which is what I do when the Mackems chant this stuff at us.

I agree that all of this stuff is awful but it isn't as easy as just arresting everyone.
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As I said earlier, don't have to arrest everyone, pick out 20 or 30 , everyone's filmed anyway, police report to the club , faces in the gazette.
Would definitely be a deterrent for next time.

My main issue isn't it being sung in the ground, as said earlier, it's the vile, bullying, and criminal behaviour, of targeting parents walking with their kids before and after the game.

There's an opportunity for the police to do something about it if they choose.
 
TeaCider said:
Be quite happy for them all to be punished for it, yeah.

We have loads of d***heads at away matches, if they're baselessly abusing a player and calling him a paedophile, they deserve punishing.
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I'm not disagreeing but HOW do you do it? Were you there, willing to be tried for your potential part in it?
 
TeaCider said:
Be quite happy for them all to be punished for it, yeah.

We have loads of d***heads at away matches, if they're baselessly abusing a player and calling him a paedophile, they deserve
newyddion said:
It's criminal that you stood there counting! arrest them all prison time for all of them.. and you for incitement!

yes

yes

knock racism on the head

often people project onto other people their own insecurities..
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yeah nailed it.
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outoftown said:
My main issue isn't it being sung in the ground, as said earlier, it's the vile, bullying, and criminal behaviour, of targeting parents walking with their kids before and after the game.

There's an opportunity for the police to do something about it if they choose.
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I agree that is worse than the chanting in the ground, but these scum choose to do things as bad as that when police aren't around, they're not entirely bereft of all common sense.

And the police can't literally be everywhere, plus lots of people don't like widespread surveillance anyway.
 
atypical_boro said:
I'm not disagreeing but HOW do you do it? Were you there, willing to be tried for your potential part in it?
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Major fines for the club.

Banning orders for any fans that they have proof were taking part in the chanting.

I'd never join in with that sort of chanting, so I'd be quite safe in the knowledge that I'm not going to be punished, and angry at the fans that have brought the club in to disrepute.
 
TeaCider said:
Major fines for the club.

Banning orders for any fans that they have proof were taking part in the chanting.

I'd never join in with that sort of chanting, so I'd be quite safe in the knowledge that I'm not going to be punished, and angry at the fans that have brought the club in to disrepute.
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It was most of the away end. Certainly around where I was stood. I just don't think its feasible to pick them all out, face-by-face, name-by-name and prove them all guilty of a hate crime.

However, I am not a police officer, or a prosecution lawyer, so maybe I'm wrong on this. I'd be happy to see it done, too.
 
atypical_boro said:
I agree that is worse than the chanting in the ground, but these scum choose to do things as bad as that when police aren't around, they're not entirely bereft of all common sense.

And the police can't literally be everywhere, plus lots of people don't like widespread surveillance anyway.
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Think you are stereotyping, the majority of the Sunderland fan base are family blokes etc. just the same as us. They aren't hooligans and most wouldn't say boo to a goose away from football.

But when they get in the tribe, normal sensibilities go out the window. Because they have done it for years it's become acceptable and because the clubs have done nothing in the past it gets worse.

Make a stand, let them know it's unacceptable and it will stop. Do you think most of the middle aged blokes will go home to wife's and partners and tell them how they screamed paedo at a bloke and his son because he supports a different team?

They know it's wrong.
 
go-nads! said:
Think you are stereotyping, the majority of the Sunderland fan base are family blokes etc. just the same as us. They aren't hooligans and most wouldn't say boo to a goose away from football.

But when they get in the tribe, normal sensibilities go out the window. Because they have done it for years it's become acceptable and because the clubs have done nothing in the past it gets worse.

Make a stand, let them know it's unacceptable and it will stop. Do you think most of the middle aged blokes will go home to wife's and partners and tell them how they screamed paedo at a bloke and his son because he supports a different team?

They know it's wrong.
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Not stereotyping at all, you have to be a particular type of scumbag to single out an innocent family (including children) and start chanting personal abuse at them as a pack. The idea that LOTS of people from Sunderland would do that is preposterous.

The ones who do do it are scum (and its far from the entire population of Sunderland) and I'd gladly see them locked up for a crime, if it was in any way provable (but it usually isn't).
 
atypical_boro said:
I agree that is worse than the chanting in the ground, but these scum choose to do things as bad as that when police aren't around, they're not entirely bereft of all common sense.

And the police can't literally be everywhere, plus lots of people don't like widespread surveillance anyway.
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I'm also not a fan of widespread surveillance, but it's not going away for high risk games especially.

If you don't like being filmed in a holding pen for 30 mins after the match, don't be screaming peado at an individual with his kids , or Patrick Bamford or anyone else.
If you don't want to be at risk of arrest, don't be a doing that

Didn't a few Geordies get in bother over Mido?
Or were MFC just annoyed?
 
atypical_boro said:
Not stereotyping at all, you have to be a particular type of scumbag to single out an innocent family (including children) and start chanting personal abuse at them as a pack. The idea that LOTS of people from Sunderland would do that is preposterous. The ones who do do it are scum and I'd gladly see them locked up for a crime, if it was in any way provable (but it usually isn't).
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Ha! Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of doubt!

I've got family from the County Durham pit villages, they support Newcastle so maybe that tells me what I need to know!
 
outoftown said:
I'm also not a fan of widespread surveillance, but it's not going away for high risk games especially.

If you don't like being filmed in a holding pen for 30 mins after the match, don't be screaming peado at an individual with his kids , or Patrick Bamford or anyone else.
If you don't want to be at risk of arrest, don't be a doing that

Didn't a few Geordies get in bother over Mido?
Or were MFC just annoyed?
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I fully agree, the only difference in opinion I have is how easy it is to arrest and prosecute the perpetrators when there are often thousands at fault at exactly the same time.
 
go-nads! said:
Ha! Maybe I'm giving them too much benefit of doubt!

I've got family from the County Durham pit villages, they support Newcastle so maybe that tells me what I need to know!
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I think you misunderstand me.

Your average person from Sunderland would never do this.

Even your average football fan from Sunderland would never do this.

Some chant it at the ground and never would elsewhere.

The minority who DO target single families walking on their own are scum, but they are a minority.

This particular minority are usually 'clever' enough not to do it in sight of the police, hence why prosecution/punishment is so hard.
 
We could do with getting promoted to we don’t ever have to invite the seagull raping hoards back to Teesside. DEAR ROB please can you ask the Middlesbrough football players to win more games in order to achieve promotion?
 
parmoboy said:
Fans booing the taking of the knee is wrong but for most it's about disagreeing with a political gesture. Unfortunately there will be some who boo it simply because they're racist, but there will also be those who are booing it because they probably genuinely feel that politics should be kept out of football.

If our fans were chanting racist slurs in unison throughout a game, I'd fully expect something to be done about it. I also expect something to be done about it when opposition fans chant about us being child abusers.
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Football couldn’t have exactly made it much clearer that taking the knee has zero links to anything politically and is an anti racism gesture only. If someone is still wanting to boo a team doing that it can only really mean one thing
 
JM14 said:
Football couldn’t have exactly made it much clearer that taking the knee has zero links to anything politically and is an anti racism gesture only. If someone is still wanting to boo a team doing that it can only really mean one thing
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Unless it doesn’t.. unfortunately we didn’t do anything else instead so we will never know.
 
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