Ukraine - invasion underway

What would happen if (when) they get to Zelensky? There's talk of him being forced to sign an agreement.

Or would he just be killed?

Horrible question but I don't know what their stance is on him.
 
DanBoro4499 said:
What would happen if (when) they get to Zelensky? There's talk of him being forced to sign an agreement.

Or would he just be killed?

Horrible question but I don't know what their stance is on him.
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From what he's saying and the fact he's still in Kiev tells me they will have to kill him because they will get nothing from him.
 
changingman said:
As a result I do think Cyber may play a very significant role going forward. Very little downside (other than retaliatory attacks) - we could essentially stop Russian society functioning overnight if we wanted to, talk yesterday of derailing freight trains etc.
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we have often been the recipient of attacks. Expect in future mulitple nations to start to send information, misinformation, propoganda, confusion in russia. Taking down of energy stations, anything to confuse and disrupt. It will be a no holds barred cyber attack.
 
BoroMart said:
well he apparently got a 78% vote in the last election, so that's a significant number of his own supporters don't agree with his actions...if it's a valid figure at 55% and not influenced by fear
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The official Levada polling available has him in the 60s, well down on the high figures he’s enjoyed in previous years. It’s dropped into the 50s recently too. Approval of the government and its actions is usually in the 40s/50s. Again, how accurate they are is up for debate.
 
Steve8778 said:
From what he's saying and the fact he's still in Kiev tells me they will have to kill him because they will get nothing from him.
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They'll imprison him on false charges of ethnic cleansing russians in the eastern provinces or electoral fraud.
 
BoroMart said:
we have often been the recipient of attacks. Expect in future mulitple nations to start to send information, misinformation, propoganda, confusion in russia. Taking down of energy stations, anything to confuse and disrupt. It will be a no holds barred cyber attack.
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Company I work for was subject to a cyber attack 2 years ago and it was a nightmare. It wasn’t from Russia I might add, but it caused all sorts of problems and we’re still feeling the effects. These last few weeks we’ve had daily alert and bulletins as the risk of another cyber attack is extremely high, especially as other parts of the company does work with the MOD.
 
Paintolerance said:
I find it odd that Ben Wallace etc announce its not going to Putin's plan.

It's day 2. They are entering the capital already. The fact he has lost troops and had a few planes shot down will not , I guess, overly concern Putin.

Beyond guerrilla warfare, it looks to me like Putin will achieve his aim in a very short time (regime change?)
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Yeah I was surprised by those comments too. Look at what they achieved in a day. The loss of troops and equipment will more than likely have been factored in to strategy plans.
 
Randy said:
Yeah I was surprised by those comments too. Look at what they achieved in a day. The loss of troops and equipment will more than likely have been factored in to strategy plans.
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Kyiv isn't exactly far from the Belarus border though... it's only about 100 miles
 
Randy said:
Yeah I was surprised by those comments too. Look at what they achieved in a day. The loss of troops and equipment will more than likely have been factored in to strategy plans.
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You work off a % loss which is dependant on risk. 450 dead Russians in one day would never have been factored in, aircraft shot down and over 20 tanks destroyed would never have been factored in either.
 
Steve8778 said:
You work off a % loss which is dependant on risk. 450 dead Russians in one day would never have been factored in, aircraft shot down and over 20 tanks destroyed would never have been factored in either.
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I think he expected Ukraines armed forces to flee, and a straight route through to Kyev with little to no resistance.

It hasn't worked out like that, and certainly the optics and impact of Ukrainian soldiers martyring themselves on a tiny island would not have been factored either.

I'm sure russians don't really get how far Ukraine has come in 30 years outside of Russian control. The Ukrainians don't want to go backwards, they want an integrated european future, prosperity, trade, democracy. It's going to be an almighty struggle to subjugate the Ukrainian people
 
Randy said:
Yeah I was surprised by those comments too. Look at what they achieved in a day. The loss of troops and equipment will more than likely have been factored in to strategy plans.
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It's part of the propaganda machine though right? Which is in force on all sides.

Russia tells world it's going amazingly, everyone else says it's not.
 
BoroMart said:
I think he expected Ukraines armed forces to flee, and a straight route through to Kyev with little to no resistance.

It hasn't worked out like that, and certainly the optics and impact of Ukrainian soldiers martyring themselves on a tiny island would not have been factored either.

I'm sure russians don't really get how far Ukraine has come in 30 years outside of Russian control. The Ukrainians don't want to go backwards, they want an integrated european future, prosperity, trade, democracy. It's going to be an almighty struggle to subjugate the Ukrainian people
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Also factor in that the British have been training the Ukrainian forces since 2016. They are no mugs now. We recently gave them over 20000 NLAW and the US gave them a load of javelin missiles. It won't be easy for Russia.
 
Zelensky has offered to take Ukraine neutral. Which is precisely what is going to happen if Putin does what he said he would do in his speech. Putin can't occupy Ukraine or go after other countries without massively increasing his armies. And that requires money he doesn't have.

Hopefully he demilitarizes Ukraine then pulls out. The US has shown that it's relatively easier for a larger power to win a few battles, but retaining control over years costs trillions.

Zelensky could have stopped all this easily as recently as a few weeks ago. The question is why he didn't?
 
br14 said:
Zelensky has offered to take Ukraine neutral. Which is precisely what is going to happen if Putin does what he said he would do in his speech. Putin can't occupy Ukraine or go after other countries without massively increasing his armies. And that requires money he doesn't have.

Hopefully he demilitarizes Ukraine then pulls out. The US has shown that it's relatively easier for a larger power to win a few battles, but retaining control over years costs trillions.

Zelensky could have stopped all this easily as recently as a few weeks ago. The question is why he didn't?
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Why should Zelensky do anything the Russians want him to?
 
br14 said:
Zelensky has offered to take Ukraine neutral. Which is precisely what is going to happen if Putin does what he said he would do in his speech. Putin can't occupy Ukraine or go after other countries without massively increasing his armies. And that requires money he doesn't have.

Hopefully he demilitarizes Ukraine then pulls out. The US has shown that it's relatively easier for a larger power to win a few battles, but retaining control over years costs trillions.

Zelensky could have stopped all this easily as recently as a few weeks ago. The question is why he didn't?
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Seems a bit of an apologists view.
 
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