Ukraine - invasion underway

DanBoro4499 said:
What would happen if (when) they get to Zelensky? There's talk of him being forced to sign an agreement.

Or would he just be killed?

Horrible question but I don't know what their stance is on him.
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My guess would be he will have "Cyanide tooth" and would martyr himself before being captured, he would only be tortured and killed anyway if captured not that anyone would admit he was tortured and killed and it would be announced he was killed in an airstrike or such. Then a puppet leader would be put in charge.
 
br14 said:
Putins popularity is around 70%.
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From Russian Levada polling, it’s been decreasing for ages and only just gone over 70 again. Could be a “war boost” but plenty are up in arms here so I’m dubious about the reality of those figures. But there’s little else to go on.

br14 said:
That's the amazing part. They're allowing (for now) the 29% who are against the war to have their say.
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Hardly, protests shut down wherever they emerge with heavy handed policing. Known protesters prevented from leaving their homes. They’ll be hoping scenes like last night will dwindle.
 
What i don't get is.... there's approx 10million Ukraine men who 'could' fight - yeah fair enough I understand lack of equipment, but sitting in doors is not doing much either

I know it's easy for me to say that from the UK - but if Russian's were in Boro they would be getting hell
 
DrummerMan said:
What i don't get is.... there's approx 10million Ukraine men who 'could' fight - yeah fair enough I understand lack of equipment, but sitting in doors is not doing much either

I know it's easy for me to say that from the UK - but if Russian's were in Boro they would be getting hell
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The Russian tanks getting hell from tin openers and catapults?
 
DrummerMan said:
What i don't get is.... there's approx 10million Ukraine men who 'could' fight - yeah fair enough I understand lack of equipment, but sitting in doors is not doing much either

I know it's easy for me to say that from the UK - but if Russian's were in Boro they would be getting hell
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They have been told not to leave the city precisely for this reason. But you are asking normal people to take up arms against a crack military fighting force in the Russian army. It’s basically suicide.

It’s an awful scenario.
 
DrummerMan said:
What i don't get is.... there's approx 10million Ukraine men who 'could' fight - yeah fair enough I understand lack of equipment, but sitting in doors is not doing much either

I know it's easy for me to say that from the UK - but if Russian's were in Boro they would be getting hell
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It would depend what was on the television. They don't even go out for a pint round here these days, never mind to face an armed up professional soldier.
 
zorro_mfc said:
They have been told not to leave the city precisely for this reason. But you are asking normal people to take up arms against a crack military fighting force in the Russian army. It’s basically suicide.

It’s an awful scenario.
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I wouldn't say they were 'crack military' - Russia have been poor
 
Both the Ministry of Defence and the Interior Ministry are appealing to Kyiv residents to "inform us of troop movements, to make Molotov cocktails and neutralise the enemy".

A leaflet with step-by step instructions of how to make petrol bombs has been posted on the Ministry of the Interior's social media.

Interior Ministry adviser Vadym Denysenko says 18,000 machine guns "have been handed out in Kyiv to all volunteers, all those who want to defend our capital with weapons in their arms".

"Ukrainian military equipment is entering Kyiv now to defend it. I am asking all residents of Kyiv - please do not film it, do not film its movements. This is necessary to protect our city."

BBC
 
br14 said:
Zelensky has offered to take Ukraine neutral. Which is precisely what is going to happen if Putin does what he said he would do in his speech. Putin can't occupy Ukraine or go after other countries without massively increasing his armies. And that requires money he doesn't have.

Hopefully he demilitarizes Ukraine then pulls out. The US has shown that it's relatively easier for a larger power to win a few battles, but retaining control over years costs trillions.

Zelensky could have stopped all this easily as recently as a few weeks ago. The question is why he didn't?
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because Ukraine has the right to self determination without any violent intervention from another nation. He also has the right to purchase any military hardware necessary to defend his nation and if he feels so to create any alliances military, politically or economically that he chooses.

What you are saying is if Ukraine had done as it had been told, seceded independent political strategy to an aggressive neighbour (who had already attacked and stolen land and resources), tand carried out their neighbours wishes at the detriment to their own....then.....this would never have happened. Weird that I've heard this kind of line from so many brexiteers in recent days from general twitter loons to the more well known figures like Fartage and Banks. They effectively are now arguing that Ukraine doesn't and shouldn't have soveriegnty which is quite a different take to what they espoused back in 2016.

I read earlier that no one is forced to join the EU or NATO at gun point, but people only become part of Russia or russian influenced at the end of a gun. It's a truism
 
DrummerMan said:
What i don't get is.... there's approx 10million Ukraine men who 'could' fight - yeah fair enough I understand lack of equipment, but sitting in doors is not doing much either

I know it's easy for me to say that from the UK - but if Russian's were in Boro they would be getting hell
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I do hope this is a wind up? What fking joke of a post. You've seen the photos of men in jeans and rifles right? Even so, I would NOT want to be one of them.
 
sadgit said:
I do hope this is a wind up? What fking joke of a post. You've seen the photos of men in jeans and rifles right? Even so, I would NOT want to be one of them.
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It's fantasist stuff, he'd run a mile if there was a platoon of soldier walking through boro as would 90% of people
 
zorro_mfc said:
They have been told not to leave the city precisely for this reason. But you are asking normal people to take up arms against a crack military fighting force in the Russian army. It’s basically suicide.

It’s an awful scenario.
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They're not that much of a crack military machine according to military commentators I've seen analyse their 'performance' so far - and their loss of life is already into 4 figures.
Their numbers make them 'cannon fodder' to the dictator though - and sheer numbers will see them 'win' in the short term
 
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