Trump ahead of Biden in US opinion polls

VladKinder said:
"Trump won't win" Heard that last time. Brexit won't happen. Did. Russia won't invade Ukraine. Happened.

Whatever the consensus is, the opposite normally happens.
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Trump only won in 2016 due to the electoral college vote. He didn't win the popular vote.

Trump lost both the popular vote AND the electoral vote to Biden in 2020.

Trump is not popular with anyone other than the MAGA population, and that is a tiny percentage of the population of the USA. The GOP themselves have essentially split into 3 parties and show no signs of coming together. They might not even be able to agree on the presidential candidate, despite Trump leading by far.

There is absolutely no way Trump wins the presidency in 2024. There's a very high chance he ends up in jail given how his civil trial is going.
 
"Trump only won in 2016 due to the electoral college vote. He didn't win the popular vote."

So he didn't become President?
 
VladKinder said:
"Trump only won in 2016 due to the electoral college vote. He didn't win the popular vote."

So he didn't become President?
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I suggest you go do a little bit of research into how elections work in America before you make yourself look even stupider than you are
 
All this does is show the effect a corrupt and thoroughly poisonous media can have on people. They’re loss-making enterprises but there’s a reason people like Murdoch keep hold of them. Trump is a complete scumbag. A sexual predator, a racist, a homophobe, a thoroughly sh*t businessman, a serial fraudster and tax avoider. A terrible, terrible human being on every level. Pure scum. We have it here with Farage, Braverman, Yaxley-Lennon et al. People whose opinions should bar them from public life are elevated into positions of power and influence instead.

It makes you sick.
 
Juninhoburger said:
I suggest you go do a little bit of research into how elections work in America before you make yourself look even stupider than you are
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Says the man who apparently thinks that it’s most relevant that the bloke who won in accordance with how elections work in America didn’t win in accordance with how elections don’t work in America.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Says the man who apparently thinks that it’s most relevant that the bloke who won in accordance with how elections work in America didn’t win in accordance with how elections don’t work in America.
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What? Trump won the electoral vote in 2016 so he won the presidency. More people voted for Hilary though.

In 2020 Trump lost the electoral vote AND also the public vote, and then tried to overthrow the government.

Ignore the media stories, he is not a popular person.
 
a lot of ppl in this thread have their head firmly buried in the sand
he becomes more popular the more trouble he gets into
the popular media are destroying biden because of his age
he has very big fans in the likes of elon musk pushing his message

its only going one way
 
Mendieta14 said:
a lot of ppl in this thread have their head firmly buried in the sand
he becomes more popular the more trouble he gets into
the popular media are destroying biden because of his age
he has very big fans in the likes of elon musk pushing his message

its only going one way
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This is simply not true

Look at the abortion votes that have been taking place
 
Mendieta14 said:
a lot of ppl in this thread have their head firmly buried in the sand
he becomes more popular the more trouble he gets into
the popular media are destroying biden because of his age
he has very big fans in the likes of elon musk pushing his message

its only going one way
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No, they just know what they're talking about.

You know, because they actually closely follow US politics.
 
Yes, Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2016, but that is not how the system works.

If he beats the charges, or if they are deferred to after the election he will be 100% the republican candidate. The cult is stronger than you can imagine.

And if he does run against Biden, he will look like superman. He beat the system and all the "conspiracy" against him, and he would be up against an unpopular incumbent. Someone seen as weak, who can barely speak without slurring his words.

If people think there is "no chance" of Trump winning in 2024 put your money where your mouth is.
Go on Betfair and lay his price.

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VladKinder said:
Yes, Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2016, but that is not how the system works.

If he beats the charges, or if they are deferred to after the election he will be 100% the republican candidate. The cult is stronger than you can imagine.

And if he does run against Biden, he will look like superman. He beat the system and all the "conspiracy" against him, and he would be up against an unpopular incumbent. Someone seen as weak, who can barely speak without slurring his words.

If people think there is "no chance" of Trump winning in 2024 put your money where your mouth is.
Go on Betfair and lay his price.

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A) It really isn't.

B) And no he won't. Only his MAGA followers and a few nutjobs in the Republican party believe there is any conspiracy, and see point A regarding that.
 
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Fattyfoggon said:
It worries me that people are getting complacent about Trump not getting in it would be a disaster for the whole world if he got in again and he is truly a horrible horrible man, hopefully the democrats in the USA are not taking anything for granted
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This. Nobody ever went bust overestimating the bad taste of Americans. It's post truth politics. What he says is irrelevant, What counts is the emotions, the biochemical reactions, his presence provokes in embittered white people.
 
Juninhoburger said:
What? Trump won the electoral vote in 2016 so he won the presidency. More people voted for Hilary though.

In 2020 Trump lost the electoral vote AND also the public vote, and then tried to overthrow the government.

Ignore the media stories, he is not a popular person.
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I repeat:

If you are so certain, go on Betfair and lay Trump. It's obviously free money as there is zero chance of him becoming president again.
You are so clever and people backing him into favourite are obviously morons, so it will be like taking candy from babies.

See if you can walk the walk.
 
Juninhoburger said:
What? Trump won the electoral vote in 2016 so he won the presidency. More people voted for Hilary though.

In 2020 Trump lost the electoral vote AND also the public vote, and then tried to overthrow the government.

Ignore the media stories, he is not a popular person.
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That's not how the system works. He doesn't have to be popular to become president, he just has to be more popular than his opponent with a handful of voters in swing states.

I really dislike Trump, but some people on this thread are making exactly the same mistake as they did in 2016 with Hillary Clinton in underestimating his ability to win.
 
InglebyUTB said:
That's not how the system works. He doesn't have to be popular to become president, he just has to be more popular than his opponent with a handful of voters in swing states.

I really dislike Trump, but some people on this thread are making exactly the same mistake as they did in 2016 with Hillary Clinton in underestimating his ability to win.
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Exactly. It's all down to handful of swing states.
It doesn't matter if every single person in New York or Washington votes for Biden.
If the election was held today Trump would wipe the floor with Biden in the swing states.
 
VladKinder said:
Exactly. It's all down to handful of swing states.
It doesn't matter if every single person in New York or Washington votes for Biden.
If the election was held today Trump would wipe the floor with Biden in the swing states.
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That’s it.

The reality is that most states are already decided. California has voted. New York has voted. Texas has voted. It’s not who has the most votes. The reality is that the entire election comes down to 5 or 6 states, and within those swing states, a handful of people like soccer moms. It’s literally 50-100k people who will decide in a country of 350 million.

By most metrics Biden has done a decent job. But the economy is going to slow next year in what is horrible timing for him. Cornel West running as an independent and critic of Israel hurts Biden, and polls show him picking up 4-7% nationally at this point. Given the closeness in swing states I alluded to, it really only takes a swing of 2% or so for Biden to lose them. Despite Trump being too old to run, people are also going to focus on the fact that Biden will be 86 years old at the end of his Presidency if elected to a second term. This will and is hurting him. Even Democrats are uncomfortable with his public performances. I wouldn’t back him vs Trump. The idea of Kamala Harris taking over from an infirm Biden scares a lot of people, and rightly so.

I don’t think it’s a fair reflection of the job Biden has done, but it is what it is.
 
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