Trial by media

GibbosEmpire

GibbosEmpire

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What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I really find the whole Brand thing gross, IF he is guilty then investigate, trial him then charge him. IF not then leave him alone.

For every Jimmy Saville or Gary Glitter there's a Michael Barrymore or Cliff Richard.

The constant news articles and reels about Sean Lock said this on Brand, Bob Geldof said this on Brand is so gross.

Support the victims, but let's have a proper police investigation before everyone vilify him before something horrific happens
 
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The problem is that we know with these types of cases there is very little that police can do. All allegations are made and then refuted and so there will be no convictions because it's one person's word against another. This is clearly a situation where everyone knows what is going on and having this person's reputation tarnished is the only repercussion that will be possible.

Same with the Greenwood situation. When it is obvious that the person is guilty but there is no criminal repercussions then what else can we do as a society but condemn/cancel them?
 
GibbosEmpire said:
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I really find the whole Brand thing gross, IF he is guilty then investigate, trial him then charge him. IF not then leave him alone.

For every Jimmy Saville or Gary Glitter there's a Michael Barrymore or Cliff Richard.

The constant news articles and reels about Sean Lock said this on Brand, Bob Geldof said this on Brand is so gross.

Support the victims, but let's have a proper police investigation before everyone vilify him before something horrific happens
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Why? Surely if fellow celebrities were talking about it and warning the public about him in the only way they can, which in turn persuades his victims to come forward then surely that's a good thing.

Brand likely has multiple victims, not just the ones that were featured on Dispatches. The police have asked people to come forward, presumably so they can start building a case against him.
 
Juninhoburger said:
Why? Surely if fellow celebrities were talking about it and warning the public about him in the only way they can, which in turn persuades his victims to come forward then surely that's a good thing.

Brand likely has multiple victims, not just the ones that were featured on Dispatches. The police have asked people to come forward, presumably so they can start building a case against him.
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Channel 4, Itv, BBC, most newspapers have all worked with Brand for years, and now they're hanging him out to dry, seems odd to prop him up to then vilify him.
 
Whether he is guilty or innocent in respect of his promiscuous past as you allude to Mr Empire, it is a matter for the people involved and the Police should complaints be forthcoming. However, it does not stop him being regarded as a self centred, misogynistic, attention seeking, chunt, the type of which I loathe with a long and deeply held passion. I hope that if the reports are true, (and a 4 yr investigation has taken place by serious journalists) the victims have the courage to come forward, are fully supported and they give an honest account of their time with Brand. I then hope, should he be found guilty of a crime (other than to impersonating a disgustingly shocking comedian) then I hope the Justice system throws their booky wook at him.
 
coluka said:
Whether he is guilty or innocent in respect of his promiscuous past as you allude to Mr Empire, it is a matter for the people involved and the Police should complaints be forthcoming. However, it does not stop him being regarded as a self centred, misogynistic, attention seeking, chunt, the type of which I loathe with a long and deeply held passion. I hope that if the reports are true, (and a 4 yr investigation has taken place by serious journalists) the victims have the courage to come forward, are fully supported and they give an honest account of their time with Brand. I then hope, should he be found guilty of a crime (other than to impersonating a disgustingly shocking comedian) then I hope the Justice system throws their booky wook at him.
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Is it necessary to bring out a documentary before the police investigation though?
 
GibbosEmpire said:
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I really find the whole Brand thing gross, IF he is guilty then investigate, trial him then charge him. IF not then leave him alone.

For every Jimmy Saville or Gary Glitter there's a Michael Barrymore or Cliff Richard.

The constant news articles and reels about Sean Lock said this on Brand, Bob Geldof said this on Brand is so gross.

Support the victims, but let's have a proper police investigation before everyone vilify him before something horrific happens
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I’m not so sure you should be feeling sorry for Michael Barrymore.
 
GibbosEmpire said:
Is it necessary to bring out a documentary before the police investigation though?
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There isn’t a police investigation as of yet though. They have said they are merely assessing the information of an allegation relating to 2003, I appreciate it is a subtle difference, but nevertheless this was separate to anything raised in the channel 4 TV Programme, from which no victim has made a police complaint as of yet.

If anything, the Channel 4 programme has paved the way for those allegations to be reviewed and anyone, whether via a victim of Brand or anyone else, women around the world may just have the courage to step forward and feel they may be taken seriously. Had the documentary not have aired, would the Police have taken an interest? Women have been getting a raw deal from the justice system for years, if a documentary gives hope and courage to any women victimised by a controlling male to come forward then I’m fully behind it, wrong doing should be outed and people held accountable for their behaviours. He has the opportunity to seek legal advice and he will be rich enough to sue if it is all a pack of lies. I suspect he wont though.
 
I will say this, I don't doubt for one second he's taken advantage of women and young women (16 🤮) in an odious way during his period of 'addiction' (make your own mind up on whether it can be considered an addiction or not, I veer on the side of no it can't).

That said we've now had 4 days of him being the first item on every online service, guardian, bbc, daily mail I've checked today have all got identical headlines 'Brand YouTube revenue suspended'... That's not headline news, it's no surprise and it doesn't need to be the top line, this is exactly the behavior that makes people say 'the establishment are out to get him'.
 
Many celebs went untouched by justice for many years due to their position of power, and only were brought down after a similar high-profile story broke. I agree with OP that it is a weird and unsatisfactory way of going about things. But convictions rates for such crimes are embarrassingly low in this country, and if this results in someone who is indeed guilty of being convicted, then it could be argued that the ends justify the means.

The problem now is that if he is innocent, Brand will have this hanging over his head - at least until the police and courts do their thing, which could take years.

It's a no win situation really.
 
OP let’s look at it this way either he gets what’s coming to him through the justice system or he’ll have the one of the biggest libel lawsuits in media history.

Do you really think channel 4 or the times haven’t thought of this???
 
alvez_49 said:
I will say this, I don't doubt for one second he's taken advantage of women and young women (16 🤮) in an odious way during his period of 'addiction' (make your own mind up on whether it can be considered an addiction or not, I veer on the side of no it can't).

That said we've now had 4 days of him being the first item on every online service, guardian, bbc, daily mail I've checked today have all got identical headlines 'Brand YouTube revenue suspended'... That's not headline news, it's no surprise and it doesn't need to be the top line, this is exactly the behavior that makes people say 'the establishment are out to get him'.
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It appears youtube have de-monetised his channel but have not suspended his channel. So they are collecting the advertising money off the back of this scandal but not paying out to the content creator.

How very double standards of them.
 
alvez_49 said:
I will say this, I don't doubt for one second he's taken advantage of women and young women (16 🤮) in an odious way during his period of 'addiction' (make your own mind up on whether it can be considered an addiction or not, I veer on the side of no it can't).

That said we've now had 4 days of him being the first item on every online service, guardian, bbc, daily mail I've checked today have all got identical headlines 'Brand YouTube revenue suspended'... That's not headline news, it's no surprise and it doesn't need to be the top line, this is exactly the behavior that makes people say 'the establishment are out to get him'.
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We are in a “celebrity” obsessed society. He is a very strange man in my judgment but has over 6 million followers on social media it is a big news story that people are interested in.

The mainstream media will lose their relentless focus on him in the next few days and move onto the next story particularly if a police investigation gets really going.

There are more important stories in the world, many will never be told. I’m not sure where you could say he should appear in the running order to convince some that “ the establishment are out to get him.”

Anyone who is stupid enough to think that there is a plot to take him down should immediately get in touch with “Q” so that they can come and save the day.
 
Brand, like Saville has made millions of pounds using his lecherous personality and behaviour, for all to see and encouraged by the BBC, Channel 4 etc because this also made them money. Hiding in plain sight.

His already huge ego is massaged by them and his behaviour knows no bounds because he is allowed to be what he wants to be. He said himself he is a sex addict and here he finds the perfect position for this - and he gets paid as well for just being himself.

The whole affair is seedy. It highlights succinctly the kind of society we have become when we put people like Brand on a pedestal. Morally corrupt in so many ways and now the chickens have finally come home to roost.

Can anyone really be surprised by all this?
 
Angus said:
Anyone who is stupid enough to think that there is a plot to take him down should immediately get in touch with “Q” so that they can come and save the day.
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👍👍👍 Exactly this.

There are lots of ‘hey, you can see why people think it looks like the establishment/MSM are out to get him bECauSe hE SPeaKS TrUTh’ cretins all over social media.

No. No. No.
It’s the exact type of message he wants his followers (ie those hard-of-thinking conspiracists whose ignorance, stupidity and naivety he monetises) to be pumping out.
 
For female comedians to have a whats app group for their own safety suggests it is a much wider issue than Brand too. Unfortunately for some people, they use their fame for their personal needs and like lots of people in all walks of life, boundaries are pushed and pushed till eventually you push too far. I dare say Brand is no different to many famous men and will have had loads of women throwing themselves at him because of his ‘celebrity’ and loads and loads will have been perfectly consensual.

However, eventually some will have ended up feeling used and let down feeling it was more to them than what it actually was to him. He had the power and the will to use women for his desires, but how many of those times will it have been made clear their time together was purely in just the act itself and would lead nowhere thereafter? If only even a small number of those women felt it could be more than what it was to him, then that is a form of abuse in itself in my booky wook!
 
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