Traore

It's a real shame we didn't at least try giving Traore a regular start on the wing and Stuani a regular start up front in the Premier League season. I suppose we probably wouldn't have had enough quality in the rest of the team to stay up anyway but who knows, it might have made the difference?
 
Fed up of people claiming it's all to do with Pulis. All he had to do was play him regularly, it's disrespectful to Adama himself who's probably worked very hard to get to the level he's at now. It shows how crap Pulis was by the fact that he still mentions how he developed Adama every time he gets a microphone infront of him, literally no other successes to mention.
I think the reason he's not yet broken into the national team is the same unfortunate reason he'll probably never be a regular for Spain, their racist history is still very much prominent, I think Marcos Senna is the only black player I've seen play regularly for Spain. Iñaki Williams is one of the best forwards in the country but doesn't get a look in because of his skin colour. I know some won't believe this is the reason but racism is still a big thing in many European countries particularly Spain and Italy.
I think it would be remiss not to give credit where its due in terms of Pulis's management of Traore.

Same applies to the Wolves coaches too, they've taken his game to another level, particularly in terms of playing for the team. He's a much more rounded and complete player now - I think he'd be a perfect fit for Liverpool, given how quickly they attack. Wolves are doing great - they have a great team - but Traore has the talent to play for one of the best clubs in europe, no doubt about it.
 

Redwurzel

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I think there is a bit of looking back with rose tinted glasses and projecting what he is doing now onto the 2016/17 season. AT was not the same player three and half years ago. Players generally peak around age 27, he was 21 when we signed him.

I would agree Monk did not use him as much as he could have. I remember at Bristol City he played him up front as a conventional forward, but no one after the game was saying it was a good move on here and we lost the game 2-1.

In the 4 months Pulis worked with him his value at least doubled and we moved from 10th to 5th.
 

festa5

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I think there is a bit of looking back with rose tinted glasses and projecting what he is doing now onto the 2016/17 season. AT was not the same player three and half years ago. Players generally peak around age 27, he was 21 when we signed him.

I would agree Monk did not use him as much as he could have. I remember at Bristol City he played him up front as a conventional forward, but no one after the game was saying it was a good move on here and we lost the game 2-1.

In the 4 months Pulis worked with him his value at least doubled and we moved from 10th to 5th.
To be fair Monk probably agonised over Randolph's best position, never mind Traore. Never seen a manager second guess himself so much.

Till Woodgate came along anyway.
 

BoroBen92

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Traore's own words on Tony Pulis' influence:
Some people don't know that before him I wasn't playing a lot (at Boro).

After he came he trusted me and spoke with me a lot. He was great. I still have contact with him. He taught me how to play in this position, a wing-back and a winger - working a lot on maintaining position, defending, maintaining shape.
He helped me in this position and in this way to start improving myself, he's been a massive figure.
So there's definitely more to it than just Pulis playing him, despite people on here trying to deny it.
 

Fluffycarpet

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Traore's own words on Tony Pulis' influence.



So there's definitely more to it than just Pulis playing him, despite people on here trying to deny it.
I think the main thing was he played him and gave him confidence. Did he make him a better player? I don't think Pulis can take any credit for how good a player Traore is.
 

BoroBen92

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I think the main thing was he played him and gave him confidence. Did he make him a better player? I don't think Pulis can take any credit for how good a player Traore is.
Given Traore himself has literally said that Pulis taught him how to play in his position and helped him to improve himself as a player, I'd say he could.
 

Block21

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Think we got our money back for Aden - thanks to Warno!
looks like he had his eye on this job even then! He was thinking I know what I will do, sign their worst defender play him for Cardiff which will result in me getting the sack and when the boro job comes up they won’t have Flint and I am available. Told you he was a genius
 

Fluffycarpet

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Nahhh.
He improved as time went on.

Just like he's improved even further as time has went on for Wolves, and I'm sure a significant part of that is the coaching there too.
I don't doubt that for a second. But it was as clear as day he needed games, and he needed confidence. As soon as he got that he improved dramatically.
 

Redwurzel

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We lost £1m on Flint as we never paid the add ons that formed the £7m fee from Bristol City. He significantly overpaid for Saville by around £3m and another £1m too much for McClair if we said their true value was £4m a piece. That's £4m too much in total. However he made a profit on Christie, got a good price for Foreshaw (who is only a squad player at Leeds), He got £15m for Gibson which is a lot more than he is worth now and added £10m to Traore's value.
 

Pog

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Given Traore himself has literally said that Pulis taught him how to play in his position and helped him to improve himself as a player, I'd say he could.
I had this same debate months ago on the other forum. Even though he hugged Pulis when he scored and talked regularly about how he learned so much under him the so called experts amongst our fans would have us believe Pulis had no influence “all he had to do was play him. Pulis deserves zero credit”.

Well...

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Liamo

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That's not true.
If it was, players like Sterling or Zaha wouldn't have been called up for England.

It's that a home nation won't try to call up a player who doesn't have ancestral ties and hasn't lived in that home nation for the required number of years.

They've still got to pick up British nationality though, and I doubt Traore would want to.
That's a different scenario to the one I was referring to - Sterling and Zaha both hold British citizenship and have since before they turned 21. I guess I should have said that the Home Nations Agreement covers players who did not have UK citizenship before the age of 21 and who might have wanted to acquire it so as to take advantage of one of the clauses in the FIFA eligibility rules that governs how players over the age of 21 can become eligible for a country other than where they were born. The clause in question is the one that says a player only has to live in a country for two years to become eligible for that country (and assuming they have the relevant nationality).

The Home Nations Agreement says that:
The home nations have agreed to remove a clause that enables players to gain eligibility for one of the four national teams due to residency. The FIFA statutes state that "Associations sharing a common nationality may make an agreement under which item (d) of par. 1 of this article is deleted completely or amended to specify a longer time limit". The clause removed is:
(d) He has lived continuously on the territory of the relevant Association for at least two years​
 
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