Tory`s win Hartlepool by 6940 votes.

Labour are doing the rounds today, blaming Corbyn for this, with the mantra 'we haven't changed enough yet.'
Anyone who thinks that the Labour plan is to get elected and then shift to the left, need to think again. I have a feeling that this party will cease to be a meaningful influence in UK politics rather quickly.
The unifying leader continues to shun the left.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
putting forward a candidate that acknowledged the Brexit result would have been a start.
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Again acknowledge it in what way? That it happened and is going to be amazing or acknowledge that it happened and be concerned about the consequences?

To answer your other quote, someone from Hartlepool would always have been a better option but I don't think it would have changed the outcome or got more people involved.
 
Not that im surprised in the slightest at the result, but how can anyone from a town that has suffered so badly with austerity and huge levels of poverty vote for more of the same. Its really a kick in the teeth for all the people in the town who are struggling.

Even in normal times, the town voting Tory is unbelievable, but on the back of 14 months of nothing but disaster after disaster its just staggering.

Hopefully the town gets the investment it needs to help the people that so desperately need it off the back of this, but lets be honest thats clearly not happening.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Labour are doing the rounds today, blaming Corbyn for this, with the mantra 'we haven't changed enough yet.'
Anyone who thinks that the Labour plan is to get elected and then shift to the left, need to think again. I have a feeling that this party will cease to be a meaningful influence in UK politics rather quickly.
The unifying leader continues to shun the left.
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Possibly or it could be more a local phenomenon. At the last GE in Hartlepool the Tories would have also won had not the odious Richard Tice got 10000 votes and split the Brexit vote. It’s clear half those votes went to the Tories and not Labour.
 
NoMushroom said:
Typical Labour excuses on here - "Low Turnout" etc ...... Yeah imagine how much bigger the loss would have been if it was a full turnout

As Labour keep being anti-working man/lady and anti-British... the losses will continue
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In the last manifesto labour put forward which polices were against the working classes and which were anti British?
 
Chris_Boro said:
Again acknowledge it in what way? That it happened and is going to be amazing or acknowledge that it happened and be concerned about the consequences?

To answer your other quote, someone from Hartlepool would always have been a better option but I don't think it would have changed the outcome or got more people involved.
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I disagree - I think putting forward a pro brexit candidate would have won the election for Labour
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
Its no good calling people stupid because you don't like the way they vote,it needs to be discovered why they voted the way they did. I accept that they won't be able to give a difinitive answer but listen to their answers anyway and take them on board, don't retiliate with the often trotted out line 'well you'll regret it'.
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This. I'm staggered that so many people on the losing side of an election resort to insulting those on the winning side, whilst simultaneously stating that they can't comprehend the result (Brexit, Trump, Bolsonaro, Boris, etc.) You will not change someone's mind by calling them an idiot, a racist, a bigot, etc. That will just further entrench their views or push them away from the ideology you are trying to win them over to.

At the last General Election, Nicola Sturgeon was campaigning on an "anyone but the Tories" message. And then she wonders why the Tories won! Political parties should be telling us why we should vote for them, not why not to vote for the other lot. Like it or not, we now live in a populist society and people generally don't want to listen to the "Boris is a bit dodgy" narrative, they want to know how a candidate/party will improve their lot. You don't have to look any further than Ben Houchen for this. He won an election narrowly and has spent the past 4 years talking up his own achievements, much more so than talking down Labour. Meanwhile Labour seem to have taken every opportunity to trash most of what he has done. Is it all blue propaganda? Yes or no, it doesn't really matter to most as they can see positives in what Houchen has done/is doing and hear nothing but relentless negativity from the Labour Party.

It achieves nothing to label the electorate stupid. Those that choose to do so should really be levying that accusation against their own party. After all, if the electorate is so easily manipulated, what does it say about the opposition that they are unable to convince a previously captive audience that they still have anything positive to offer?
 
jam69 said:
In the last manifesto labour put forward which polices were against the working classes and which were anti British?
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Not accepting the Brexit result... which they still haven't

You can jog your memory though - NOV 2019:

A Final Say referendum on EU membership held under a Labour government would be legally-binding and its outcome would be implemented immediately, Jeremy Corbyn has declared.

www.independent.co.uk

Second Brexit referendum will be legally-binding, Corbyn says

Labour leader denounces prime minister’s promise to ‘get Brexit done’ as a ‘fraud on the British people’
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
guisborough_rob said:
I suspect, though have no evidence, that this result is a swampy combination of vaccine bounce for the Government, Johnson standing up to French fishermen, Labour putting up a candidate who was against Brexit, Hartlepool people not being interested in the wallpaper issue or having any truck with so called ‘woke’ politics and wanting their share of the money being thrown at the red wall seats.
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I think this is it in a nutshell.

Not a good enough reason to vote Conservative for me, but then I wouldn’t have voted for this insipid Labour Party either.
 
JM14 said:
Even in normal times, the town voting Tory is unbelievable, but on the back of 14 months of nothing but disaster after disaster its just staggering.
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Starmer has spent that whole time saying he supports the governments actions and won't oppose for "oppositions sake"!!

It's a lazy, lazy way to run a party. He wants to keep his hands clean and just hopes someone else will do all the dirty work to tie the disasters to the tories for him. It doesn't work like that. Cameron and the tories back in 2007 didn't shy away from blaming Labour for the financial crash.
 
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