Tory poll lead collapses to four percent amid fury over tax hike to fund social care

BoroFur

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We are getting to the point when the focus shifts from Covid-19 to the economy and the Government's performance. It was always going to happen.

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Tory poll lead over Labour collapses to just four percent

It is the Conservative's smallest lead since mid-February, when the UK was in the midst of its third lockdown, and gave Boris Johnson's government only 38 per cent support, down from 44 per cent.
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I think the smell of corruption is getting through. I have not been impressed with Starmer but maybe his policy of always sniping is working.
That photo of our Health Minister grabbing his mistresses backside will have helped too. One rule for us ....
 
jam69 said:
The fact is we do need to increase taxes to fund social care, its the elephant in the room that the tories fear more than anything, going to be tricky to ask iam alright Jack tory voters to help fund social care
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Jam before Covid I would have agreed. But somehow they have found £1trillion.

There is an argument that when tax rates are reduced tax income increases. The great majority of tax is paid by the top 10% the art is to get them to pay more. Someone should ask Blair how he managed it.

I fully accept your sentiments though.
 
HarryVegas said:
The other thing to keep in mind about this poll is that it's likely to be another stage in the Daily Fail's ongoing campaign to get rid of Johnson and replace him with their favourite, Gove. They keep snipping away and won't stop till he's gone.
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Nobody likes Johnson within the traditional written media, they’ve known him and what he is like for years, the way he has used and ridden roughshod over colleagues in the past, there are many stories of favours done but soon forgotten, of promises never kept, of unpaid borrows, of overstepped marks, of how once the mask of superficial charm drops and your usefulness spent that what lies underneath is worse than unpleasant.
 
HarryVegas said:
The other thing to keep in mind about this poll is that it's likely to be another stage in the Daily Fail's ongoing campaign to get rid of Johnson and replace him with their favourite, Gove. They keep snipping away and won't stop till he's gone.
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This is a YouGov poll for The Times Harry but yes I take your point about The Mail's almost relentless criticism of Johnson.
 
The floating voters in the middle have always tended to vote on personal agendas. Expect some kind of tax cuts in the next year or so.....under the guise of kick starting the economy/levelling up!
 
YouGov produce polls to suit an agenda and to gain headlines for it.

I expect a quiet correction poll in the next few days or so, just like they did when they had Labour's vote "collapse" when the pubs reopened.
 
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Same_as_before said:
Jam before Covid I would have agreed. But somehow they have found £1trillion.

There is an argument that when tax rates are reduced tax income increases. The great majority of tax is paid by the top 10% the art is to get them to pay more. Someone should ask Blair how he managed it.

I fully accept your sentiments though.
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Tony and Gordon have just told me they found something called PPI - it created the cash for new building programme of hospitals, schools, universities etc - my local hospital is paying over 10% of its revenue to a finance company to pay for this.

Social care is more difficult too because it is mainly invisible unlike a new academy. It is also not seen as a investment for the future like say a university. Its mainly about looking after the elderly and disabled with dignity which traditionally has not ben treated as high priority I am sorry to say. The bill for social care is getting bigger as more and more people reach 80 and many people with disabilities live longer than in the past.

Myself I respect any Government that will propose significant changes to at least maintain social care provision. A 1% tax on National Insurance of anyone working, whatever their age seems sensible and raise the threshold to £100,000 of assets before you have to pay. That way you allow the elderly the dignity to pass on some of their wealth they have worked for in their lives.

What I don't understand is that in Scotland it is funded by the UK Government but not in the rest of the UK.
 
Redwurzel said:
Tony and Gordon have just told me they found something called PPI - it created the cash for new building programme of hospitals, schools, universities etc - my local hospital is paying over 10% of its revenue to a finance company to pay for this.

Social care is more difficult too because it is mainly invisible unlike a new academy. It is also not seen as a investment for the future like say a university. Its mainly about looking after the elderly and disabled with dignity which traditionally has not ben treated as high priority I am sorry to say. The bill for social care is getting bigger as more and more people reach 80 and many people with disabilities live longer than in the past.

Myself I respect any Government that will propose significant changes to at least maintain social care provision. A 1% tax on National Insurance of anyone working, whatever their age seems sensible and raise the threshold to £100,000 of assets before you have to pay. That way you allow the elderly the dignity to pass on some of their wealth they have worked for in their lives.

What I don't understand is that in Scotland it is funded by the UK Government but not in the rest of the UK.
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The thing about PPI that is never included in your 10% is the cost of the building it's up keep and the depreciation of the life of the building. I was not for or against it. But ask anyone in local or central government finance the ease of spend for revenue rather than capital.

Blair still had the dark art of screwing the rich without them realising.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.
 
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HarryVegas said:
The other thing to keep in mind about this poll is that it's likely to be another stage in the Daily Fail's ongoing campaign to get rid of Johnson and replace him with their favourite, Gove. They keep snipping away and won't stop till he's gone.
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Good point. Johnson is not PM material and the tories know it. They will be looking for a boost in ratings before the next GE and I would fully expect Gove, Sunak or Patel to be leading them into that.
 
I'm not in favour of simply raising employee NICs to pay for social care because we all know the proceeds will just go into the general tax revenue pot and we'll still be in the same place 20-30 years down the road.

If the increase is specifically ringfenced fair enough but I would also like to see employers play their part.
 
I would imagine ni had been targeted and its unpopular within the tory Party for the same reason. It impacts employers as well as employees. So it raises more than the same 1% on income tax but does mean that pensioners don't pay it and it adversely effects the poor.
 
Johnson is a leech. He will suck every ounce he can from anyone, he will write cheques he has no intention of keeping and once they cease to be of use their very existence will be cancelled and history re-written.

After Cummings spoke ‘his truth’ and as much as he is clearly vengeful, the public will hopefully see he was largely accurate about things, apart from his own failings of course. Johnsons time is edging toward a conclusion imho. I don’t see him leading the tories into another election, I doubt they will take that risk. Labour need to start working up their own costed policies on the economy, taxation, health, and social care, green issues, sorting out the cladding scandal and making sure the public sector know they would be in safer hands generally. If they produce simple, believable, policies that people can understand will make the country better and fairer and don’t financially impact on the majority save for the very rich and big businesses, then I think and hope they can win the argument at the ballot box. I would like to see some of the parties working together to help achieve the aim of ousting the tories especially in the more marginal ones
 
It's about time people started realising the Tories have hammered them since 2010. I find it staggering that ordinary people continue to vote for them.

As for Johnson. Bloody hell! He is a charlatan and always has been. It's a joke someone like him is the Prime Minister. He has winged his whole life based on his life of privilege.
 
Nero said:
It's about time people started realising the Tories have hammered them since 2010. I find it staggering that ordinary people continue to vote for them.

As for Johnson. Bloody hell! He is a charlatan and always has been. It's a joke someone like him is the Prime Minister. He has winged his whole life based on his life of privilege.
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The English electorate have always loved a b*stard. They read c**tishness as strength. Blair knew it. And does anyone think Thatcher kept getting elected because she was nice? No, we are in this unholy mess because we touch ourselves in our special place every time a leader pretends to be Winston bloody Churchill. Basically, we're thick masochists and collectively deserve all we get.
 
BoroFur said:
I'm not in favour of simply raising employee NICs to pay for social care because we all know the proceeds will just go into the general tax revenue pot and we'll still be in the same place 20-30 years down the road.

If the increase is specifically ringfenced fair enough but I would also like to see employers play their part.
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Maybe they could start with these tax dodging companies that are worth billions?

A New Report Claims Big Tech Companies Used Legal Loopholes to Avoid Over $100 Billion in Taxes. What Does That Mean for the Industry’s Future? – Fortune

A new study suggests Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Netflix, and Microsoft may have avoided more than $155 billion in taxes over ten years.
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