Tory poll lead collapses to four percent amid fury over tax hike to fund social care

Any other labour leader would be twenty points ahead. Oh . . . hang on . . . you were allowed to say that about Corbyn when he was neck and neck with the Tories in the polls but it's illegal to say it about Starmer, right? The useless spud.
 
bumface said:
Any other labour leader would be twenty points ahead. Oh . . . hang on . . . you were allowed to say that about Corbyn when he was neck and neck with the Tories in the polls but it's illegal to say it about Starmer, right? The useless spud.
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Still trying to split the Labour vote I see. I am starting to think you are Tory through and through.
 
Same_as_before said:
Still trying to split the Labour vote I see. I am starting to think you are Tory through and through.
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The labour party needs to be burned to the ground apart from the SCG. The rest of them ARE the Tories. Can you really not see that?

Edit: I meant that figuratively, not literally obviously. Just in case somebody else wants to come along and accuse me of inciting violence.
 
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Doing it again here, aren't I? 'MUST NOT GET INVOLVED IN POLITICAL THREADS'. I'm going to write that on my forehead in permanent marker so that I see it in the mirror every morning when I get up.
 
bumface said:
You're supposedly a labour supporter but you don't know who The Socialist Campaign Group are? And you accuse ME of being a Tory?
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I don't want to split the party and leave the Tories in government forever.

Let's play left wing politics.

If by reducing taxation of the top 10% of tax payers, has the effect of increasing tax income would you?

I would renationalise Water and Trains can not see a way of financing renationalisation of the other utilities. It's too complex.

Would you reduce spend on Police and Defense?
 
To be clear.

Social Care has never been the responsibility of Central Govt. Its been down to Local Authorities for decades. Generally it makes up 40-58% of their spend.
 
I put PPI - I should have wrote PFI!

Basically you have a building built for you. but you commit to pay a rent for a very long time that comes out of yoiur revenue. The comon feeling was the construction compoanies and finance companies took the civil servants negotiating against them to the cleaners. Hence the public sector is left with some expensive deals.

Ref: Paying for social care

The Government can take employers NI out of the social charge or include it, they have flexibility. Including it is like a tax on jobs I always think, which I am not keen on.

I am not against putting up Income tax instead of NI say 1p on basic income tax.

Income tax is paid until you die if your income is above £250 per week unlike NI which stops at state retirement age and NI is only on earned income i.e from employment.

I think its important alot of people contribute as a lot of people will gain. If you tax say higher earners they will quickly feel resentmentful and work hard at doing a Jimmy Carr. In fact the poorer you are the more likely you will benefit from state social care. The theory of taxing the rich to pay for the poor is great in theory, but in practice the rich run away, certainly @ 50% tax and possibly even @ 40% marginal rate. I think we can do more to tax businesses because its harder from them to run away. Is Amazon going to abandon the UK if it tax doubled - I doubt it is just too profitable here to leave.
 
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Redwurzel said:
Tony and Gordon have just told me they found something called PPI - it created the cash for new building programme of hospitals, schools, universities etc - my local hospital is paying over 10% of its revenue to a finance company to pay for this.

Social care is more difficult too because it is mainly invisible unlike a new academy. It is also not seen as a investment for the future like say a university. Its mainly about looking after the elderly and disabled with dignity which traditionally has not ben treated as high priority I am sorry to say. The bill for social care is getting bigger as more and more people reach 80 and many people with disabilities live longer than in the past.

Myself I respect any Government that will propose significant changes to at least maintain social care provision. A 1% tax on National Insurance of anyone working, whatever their age seems sensible and raise the threshold to £100,000 of assets before you have to pay. That way you allow the elderly the dignity to pass on some of their wealth they have worked for in their lives.

What I don't understand is that in Scotland it is funded by the UK Government but not in the rest of the UK.
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They didn't find it, they pinched the idea from John, it wasn't a great idea but because of decades of neglect from John and Margaret, education and the NHS were on their knees.
Jeremy had a plan but the public didn't like it
 
Redwurzel said:
I put PPI - I should have wrote PFI!

Basically you have a building built for you. but you commit to pay a rent for a very long time that comes out of yoiur revenue. The comon feeling was the construction compoanies and finance companies took the civil servants negotiating against them to the cleaners. Hence the public sector is left with some expensive deals.
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I agree, I used to argue that most of the companies went bust who signed these deals, e.g. Carillon. But the more I read about it, it was financiers making a killing.
 
If the Conservative’s could actually handle money then there would be no need for taxation or NI increases, the amount they raise is secondary to where the money goes, look at £12bn on a Track and Trace system that wasn’t fit for purpose as an example of badly the Conservative’s have managed their accounts. It’s amazing that Labour under Blair managed more surplus years than any Conservative Prime Minister in history.
 
American_Mary said:
If the Conservative’s could actually handle money then there would be no need for taxation or NI increases, the amount they raise is secondary to where the money goes, look at £12bn on a Track and Trace system that wasn’t fit for purpose as an example of badly the Conservative’s have managed their accounts. It’s amazing that Labour under Blair managed more surplus years than any Conservative Prime Minister in history.
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£12 billion? - I wish! - £37 billion down the Gary Glitter
 
The Tories blame others for the state of the country they've been in charge of for 11 years, and still lead in the polls
I fully expect them to win in 2024 too
 
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