Tony Blair

zzzzz said:
No I haven't. You asked why 'war criminal gets thrown at him within 5 posts so I answered.
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The real Iraq war criminals are Cheney, Rumsfeld & Bush somehow that never gets mentioned by The Sun or Daily Mail types, because that was a right-wing US government. Yes Blair went along with it as most British PM's do fall into line with US Foreign Policy...and the Tory opposition also supported it

In a clip I saw from GMTV, Campbell said there had been SIX enquiries into the Iraq War, and as far as I am aware none have concluded that Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell were personally to blame or brought charges against them. It's just something the right-wing biased tabloids use to inflame Brexit types every so often
 
BoroMart said:
Maybe so, he certainly isn't responsible for all of them, but we just have to look at how other countries like New Zealand dealt with this, and can see his decisions were callous and calamitous.
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New Zealand has a nice geographical advantage let’s not forget. I think once the pandemic situation is dusted, there will be easier countries to make a direct comparison with.
 
Colin Warnek said:
History judges men far more on their actions rather than their inactions - primarily because they are easier to attribute. It’s not easy to say how many of the 150,000 deaths could have been prevented with differing policies.
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by that same rationale it's hard to say how many Kurdish and Shia lives Bush and Blair saved
 
BoroBukowski said:
The real Iraq war criminals are Cheney, Rumsfeld & Bush somehow that never gets mentioned by The Sun or Daily Mail types, because that was a right-wing US government. Yes Blair went along with it as most British PM's do fall into line with US Foreign Policy...and the Tory opposition also supported it

In a clip I saw from GMTV, Campbell said there had been SIX enquiries into the Iraq War, and as far as I am aware none have concluded that Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell were personally to blame or brought charges against them. It's just something the right-wing biased tabloids use to inflame Brexit types every so often
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and the reason is to undermine the view on Blair's successful government.

I've posed it on here before and the right wingers have never answered. But tell me a time in British history where our economy had consistent success, investment was higher, opportunities for all were better, quality jobs were more freely available, the NHS was better. Those late 90s to mid 00s were a brilliant time to be British.
 
BoroMart said:
and the reason is to undermine the view on Blair's successful government.

I've posed it on here before and the right wingers have never answered. But tell me a time in British history where our economy had consistent success, investment was higher, opportunities for all were better, quality jobs were more freely available, the NHS was better. Those late 90s to mid 00s were a brilliant time to be British.
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I'm no fan of Tony but there was a definite feelgood factor at that time and personally, I've never felt as well off as I did then
 
BoroBukowski said:
The real Iraq war criminals are Cheney, Rumsfeld & Bush somehow that never gets mentioned by The Sun or Daily Mail types, because that was a right-wing US government. Yes Blair went along with it as most British PM's do fall into line with US Foreign Policy...and the Tory opposition also supported it

In a clip I saw from GMTV, Campbell said there had been SIX enquiries into the Iraq War, and as far as I am aware none have concluded that Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell were personally to blame or brought charges against them. It's just something the right-wing biased tabloids use to inflame Brexit types every so often
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Of course the Americans led it. But they didn't take us to war, Blair did.
And I don't care what the right-wing tabloids say.
I make up my own mind. Blair said we had to go to war because Saddam had WMDs. He knew the Intel wasn't sufficiently robust to make that statement and history proves that to be the case. There were no WMDs. He lied and took us to war on the basis of that lie..
If he'd have said we gonna go to war just because of Saddam that would be different, but he didn't, he lied.
 
It's unfortunate that the Iraq war is what he is remembered for. At the time Blair was a breath of fresh air to politics. It felt like an exciting time
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
It's unfortunate that the Iraq war is what he is remembered for. At the time Blair was a breath of fresh air to politics. It felt like an exciting time
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agreed, and if we look past the personalities, and at the domestic policies, that is exactly what the majority in this country needed and most have forgotten how much better it was because of the media distracting with the 'war criminal' claim. Yes there were no WMDs, yes Saddam alluded that he might have them by messing the weapon inspectors around, by making veiled threats to Israel and the west, and continuing his brutal atrocities. Saddam was playing games with the rest of the world, playing the big man, he has the blood of Iraqs people on his hands more than anyone including even Bush.

But back to the policies of Blair though, they were successful politics to the bottom 90% of British people......the top 10% have spent the last 20 years trying to deflect from that because it hurt them in the pocket. Which is why the red tops and other media continue the war criminal allusions.

He made many mistakes, and his character certainly rubbed some up the wrong way, but as a visionary for the british political system he was the best thing at the time and a similar is needed now to repair the damage of a decade of tories ripping up the fabric of our society.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
It's unfortunate that the Iraq war is what he is remembered for. At the time Blair was a breath of fresh air to politics. It felt like an exciting time
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labour did a lot of good things like surestart centres for kids, nhs improvements more investment in education. its a real shame he did what he did in terms of iraq but even as prime minister, i dont think he had much choice i am sure pressure was put on him to follow Americas lead. if he hadnt made that decision he would have to be considered one of the best post war PMs.
 
BoroMart said:
But back to the policies of Blair though, they were successful politics to the bottom 90% of British people......the top 10% have spent the last 20 years trying to deflect from that because it hurt them in the pocket. Which is why the red tops and other media continue the war criminal allusions.
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The Blair/Brown era was pre-social media so I suppose the scrutiny was not the same as it is today. The media/Social Media run the show now and whoever is in power will be crucified by them.
It was a long time ago but I don't remember many dissenting voices during the Blair era
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
The media/Social Media
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true, although most of the big non-MSM social media accounts are fed by PR companies and paid by parties and donors. The whole thing is a sham. Personally I think we are nearing the point where social media needs validated accounts to stop the damage to democracy. To make sure that people are easily accountable for their on line personas and so ensure that governance around misinformation and political sabotage can be effective.
 
How prominent was the plan to remove Saddam Hussein in the build up to the invasion of Iraq?

Also, on Blair specifically - I agree his government did some good things when in office but he must know that he is now completely unpalatable. He has some sort of Bono Complex, where he can't seem to understand the damage he does when he comes out and speaks. He spends more time criticising Labour than he does the government. I can't remember the last time I saw him stand up and ******* the government but can clearly remember news interviews with him slagging off the left of the Labour party. Blair's time has been and gone and he needs to accept it. He is still out there doing Murdoch's work for him, slagging off 'woke' people or whatever it was yesterday. F*ck off.
 
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