Tony Blair

Ricard19 said:
If he had been a Tory PM he would be cited as a war criminal on here.
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He is cited as a war criminal on here, so not sure what your point is. But the weird thing is that the majority of those people who accuse him of that prove they don't give a ratsass about foreign peoples lives when they say we should sink dinghies in the channel and stop paying foreign aid. It's almost like they're using the claim for politiking
 
What he did is unforgiveable. One of the great injustices of modern times and a mystery to me why he hasn't been held to account.
Many thousands dead, lives changed forever, horror inflicted on innocent people....... all on a complete lie.
Wonder how he sleeps at night.
 
zzzzz said:
What he did is unforgiveable. One of the great injustices of modern times and a mystery to me why he hasn't been held to account.
Many thousands dead, lives changed forever, horror inflicted on innocent people....... all on a complete lie.
Wonder how he sleeps at night.
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Both of them Bliar and Campbell.
 
zzzzz said:
What he did is unforgiveable. One of the great injustices of modern times and a mystery to me why he hasn't been held to account.
Many thousands dead, lives changed forever, horror inflicted on innocent people....... all on a complete lie.
Wonder how he sleeps at night.
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..but you have to look holistically. Not going in meant more of the murderous Saddam regime. He would have continued to ethnically cleanse certain parts of his population, put others under brutal control and tortured and murdered them. He would have been in charge as the Arab Spring arrived and we all know that dictators and a movement like the arab spring means massive bloodshed.

Did he make a mistake going in yes, was there reason to get Saddam out yes. It's not as black and white as the red tops would have everyone believe....and just for the record, the next 3 Tory PMs all voted to go to invade Iraq. He was implementing Parliamentary decision, so Cameron, May and Boris are equally war criminals.
 
BoroMart said:
..but you have to look holistically. Not going in meant more of the murderous Saddam regime. He would have continued to ethnically cleanse certain parts of his population, put others under brutal control and tortured and murdered them. He would have been in charge as the Arab Spring arrived and we all know that dictators and a movement like the arab spring means massive bloodshed.

Did he make a mistake going in yes, was there reason to get Saddam out yes. It's not as black and white as the red tops would have everyone believe....and just for the record, the next 3 Tory PMs all voted to go to invade Iraq. He was implementing Parliamentary decision, so Cameron, May and Boris are equally war criminals.
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I agree Saddam was a brutal monster but that was no excuse to go to war on a lie.
Blair took the decision. He had the intel. He bears the responsibility fully. We **** licked the Americans.
We, the UK populace, would never have agreed to go to war just becasue of Saddam and we were told he had WMDs.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I know Iraqis and Libyans who say that life under Saddam and Gaddafi was preferable to what they were left with.

Same with some Syrians that I know
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Tricky though isn't it.
I know a lot of Tunisians well and many of them are in much deeper poverty than when it was run by Ben Ali's Mafia.
The price of freedom.
 
zzzzz said:
Tricky though isn't it.
I know a lot of Tunisians well and many of them are in much deeper poverty than when it was run by Ben Ali's Mafia.
The price of freedom.
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Eaxctly! Be careful what you wish for! In about 2000 I was chatting to a colleague in the Gulf and he predicted that as soon as Saddam was removed, the country would fall to Islamists and would be in dissaray for years to come - How right he was
 
zzzzz said:
I agree Saddam was a brutal monster but that was no excuse to go to war on a lie.
Blair took the decision. He had the intel. He bears the responsibility fully. We **** licked the Americans.
We, the UK populace, would never have agreed to go to war just becasue of Saddam and we were told he had WMDs.
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So yes, the dossier was sexed up, that isn't to say that Blair didn't believe the essence of it to be true, that Saddam was a danger, and ultimately if the people wanted us to go to war or not was technically not relevant, parliament decided to go to war, and we elected them to make decisions like that. That's our system, regardless if we agree with it.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I know Iraqis and Libyans who say that life under Saddam and Gaddafi was preferable to what they were left with.

Same with some Syrians that I know
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sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards. There is no doubt that the west failed to provide the support necessary, and were too eager to take financial advantage. We should have ensured that as we left there were Arab League / UN peace keepers to ensure some fair elections could be held, we should have paid them plenty of foreign aid, into their security and education services.

The reality is that those who backed Saddam had an OK life the Suni, but for everyone else it was a living horror. Who knows when it would turn bad again, the Arab Spring would have been a very, very difficult time. He was a dictator, they tend to have a standard response to calls for democracy for the people.
 
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