Timeline comparing the league positions of Tony Pulis’ 18/19 season, to this season under Woodgate.
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atypical_boro
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You can't compare them though, Pulis had Mo Besic available.
Alzi
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You can't compare them though, Pulis had Mo Besic available.
And Stewey, except when he sat on the bench for half the season because we didn't want his new contract triggered.
Marvanelli
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All that graphic proves is Pulis failed and Woodgate is failing, therefore, Gibson got it wrong in signing Pulis, also appears to have got it wrong in employing Woody as manager.
Adi_Dem
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The ongoing and repeated logic that those of us that desperately wanted Pulis out simultaneously wanted Woodgate in is an absolute nonsense. The two things are mutually exclusive.
Pulis was a disaster, wasting our last bit of not insubstantial funding on utter dross, produced our worst form for 20 years, our worst gone record in good knows how long (until Woodgate said hold my beer) and ultimately failed.
The one mitigation for Woodgate is the loss of a lot of experience. Atypical impliedly dismisses this but it’s true: Flint, Batth, Leadbitter, Downing, Hugill, Besic, Mikel etc - all gone and replaced with League One standard players and Academy products.
The bottom line is this: since he got rid of Karanka Gibson has made 4 disastrous appointments. It’s that simple.
Pulis was a disaster, wasting our last bit of not insubstantial funding on utter dross, produced our worst form for 20 years, our worst gone record in good knows how long (until Woodgate said hold my beer) and ultimately failed.
The one mitigation for Woodgate is the loss of a lot of experience. Atypical impliedly dismisses this but it’s true: Flint, Batth, Leadbitter, Downing, Hugill, Besic, Mikel etc - all gone and replaced with League One standard players and Academy products.
The bottom line is this: since he got rid of Karanka Gibson has made 4 disastrous appointments. It’s that simple.
McBrid
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yes totally agree. This is why I’m probably going on over boards with my criticism of Woodgate. 75 percent of my frustration is at that of the owner and his terrible decision making. Then the rest is on Woodgate and his shambolic excuse of a season so far.
Pog
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Pulis wasn’t a success, but 7th in the table is in no way, shape or form a disaster.
Doesn’t look like we’ll have to wait long to see what the consequences of a genuinely disastrous appointment looks like.
Nero
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It's more than too. The club's decision to rip apart the promotion squad felt wrong at the time and has proven to be a disaster. That group deserved a shot and should have had 4 or 5 players added.
That summer was the start of 4 years of constant change in personnel. It's a shambles really.
ForssAwakens
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ForssAwakens
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I have never heard a single player or coach at Boro now say a bad word about Tony Pulis last season - and likewise you won't hear Tony Pulis say a bad word about Jonathan Woodgate - for me both have/are tackling a very difficult situation. I just hope and pray we can arrest the slide by winning tonight.
Can you imagine the atmosphere if we could suddenly put a winning run together now - anyone that is old enough to remember the great escape under Colin Todd when we whacked Newcastle on the last day will know just how amazing that feeling can be. That game when Ian Baird and Bernie Slaven helped shoot holes in Newcastle's promotion bid as well as saving us from the drop became every bit as legendary as any of the Bruce Rioch triumphs over adversity.
Can you imagine the atmosphere if we could suddenly put a winning run together now - anyone that is old enough to remember the great escape under Colin Todd when we whacked Newcastle on the last day will know just how amazing that feeling can be. That game when Ian Baird and Bernie Slaven helped shoot holes in Newcastle's promotion bid as well as saving us from the drop became every bit as legendary as any of the Bruce Rioch triumphs over adversity.
atypical_boro
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I was being facetious but I will standby my previous claim that Pulis would have had this exact same group of personnel much higher up the table. It might not have been what everyone wanted but it would have done for me. Just my opinion.
Erimus74
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atypical_boro
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To combine both Pog and Gaz's points, I'd go no further than to say Pulis did underachieve, but Woodgate has been an unmitigated disaster so far, and that's the difference between the two.
I genuinely hope we can somehow cobble 6 points together this week though and that he rediscovers whatever mojo he had around Christmas time, before leading us to safety and a more palatable campaign next year.
American_Mary
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Pulis underachieving was defeat in a play off semi final to a club with bigger resources and missing out on the play offs on goal difference so whilst ultimately he failed to achieve promotion I think to tar him with the same brush as Agnew, Monk and Woodgate is a trifle harsh.
No problem with him leaving the club but I don’t recall too many here expecting too much more than he achieved and probably finished around where we should have in the league given the squad we had, obviously bizarre decision’s with one or two players but is anything as strange as Monk not including Traore in his match day squads when fit ?
No problem with him leaving the club but I don’t recall too many here expecting too much more than he achieved and probably finished around where we should have in the league given the squad we had, obviously bizarre decision’s with one or two players but is anything as strange as Monk not including Traore in his match day squads when fit ?
ForssAwakens
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Wasn’t monk disciplining traore for missing a bus?