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I will be with 3 others. My brother (who has actually had covid) mother and sister in law. It’s three households. We’re going to a pub. I’ve been out to a pub a handful of times since March. I know it’s contagious but I don’t care. Really don’t F***ing care. Sorry.
You have my sympathy. Lots of us are struggling through this year. It doesn’t alter the fact that meeting up at Christmas will bring longer and probably stricter restrictions in at new year. It’s prolonging the agony for everyone and, I’m sorry, but I just can’t support actions which will almost certainly lengthen the suffering next year
 
You have my sympathy. Lots of us are struggling through this year. It doesn’t alter the fact that meeting up at Christmas will bring longer and probably stricter restrictions in at new year. It’s prolonging the agony for everyone and, I’m sorry, but I just can’t support actions which will almost certainly lengthen the suffering next year
I don’t want your sympathy
 
I understand, I really do. Calling me names won’t help things though. Here’s the thing though, the thing I’ve been saying for a while now: meeting up at Christmas, with cases being so high and the virus still clearly circulating massively, is going to EXTEND the measure we have to put in place next year. You can be careful, you can think everything you do so fine. The thing is not everyone will be and, even if you are, it’s still remarkably easy to spread viruses. You just need to see that if you’re fed up of being isolated, if you’re struggling with loneliness the VERY WORST thing you can do is plan to meet up with people next Friday. It’s going to make the 2021 suffering and isolation longer and much much worse. Why can’t we just hold our nerve, survive this winter. What for vaccines to ramp up and then let restrictions reduce. It’s a terrible thing for those struggling mentally to give false hope next week and a longer lockdown next year
Some people dont have any nerves left ST. You can sympathise, you can empathise, but you'll never know the weight of the pain until you've tried to lift it. I appreciate where you're coming from sometimes, but you massively miss some really important and significant points, because through luck or good judgement, you haven't had to deal with them head on. At least not from what I can gather from the microcosm of your (indeed anyone's) life on this board
 
I will be with 3 others. My brother (who has actually had covid) mother and sister in law. It’s three households. We’re going to a pub. I’ve been out to a pub a handful of times since March. I know it’s contagious but I don’t care. Really don’t F***ing care. Sorry.
Not having a go at you in the slightest, at the end of the day we have been told that’s what we can do. Just pointing out the impact that one day can cause for months down the line when millions of households are mixing. Personally I don’t believe it’s worth the inevitable third lockdown and it feels like the sacrifices we have already made are about to be thrown away, but again it’s completely understandable that people are sick and want some normality.
hope you have a good Christmas
 
You have my sympathy. Lots of us are struggling through this year. It doesn’t alter the fact that meeting up at Christmas will bring longer and probably stricter restrictions in at new year. It’s prolonging the agony for everyone and, I’m sorry, but I just can’t support actions which will almost certainly lengthen the suffering next year

Do you have to be so damned smug all the time? You honestly don't seem to understand what people are going through. And, quite frankly, it seems to me like you really don't give a chuff.
 
Sword my family has isolated for a week now to see my wifes dad and our odlest daughter. Went as far as all getting tested yesterday as well.

My 9 year old daughter was in tears tonight as was my wife and her dad.

We just have to make the best of a bad situation now.

Have as good a Christmas as you can manage.
Serious question - if you have all isolated and been ultra careful why would you not get together - you are at no risk - these rules are not laws (as far as I can gather) aimed at people who have not done/ or been able to do what you have done to be able to enjoy the festive period
 
Some people dont have any nerves left ST. You can sympathise, you can empathise, but you'll never know the weight of the pain until you've tried to lift it. I appreciate where you're coming from sometimes, but you massively miss some really important and significant points, because through luck or good judgement, you haven't had to deal with them head on. At least not from what I can gather from the microcosm of your (indeed anyone's) life on this board
That’s another typical condescending and personal post from you. I’m used to them. Shame you’re missing the point that I DO sympathise and empathise and it’s exactly for these reasons I’m against people meeting up at Christmas. It’ll make things worse next year. If we want to get out of this crisis as quick as possible then we should not be meeting up at Christmas. What you somehow have missed it’s precisely because I DONT want people suffering too much next year that I’m against meeting up at Christmas
 
Do you have to be so damned smug all the time? You honestly don't seem to understand what people are going through. And, quite frankly, it seems to me like you really don't give a chuff.
I do understand and I do care. Which is why I do t want anything to happen to prolong this agony. Which meeting up at Christmas surely will. It’s common sense to me to try and end this. Not have a gathering far too wary that will extend everyone’s suffering next year
 
Just had to deal with my mother in tears on the phone as we obviously can’t head north now, which is heartbreaking. It is however the right thing to do.

I feel for my family because my parents have met my son 3 times in the year he’s been born and my sister twice. What hurts the most is he’s forming a bond with my in-laws but not my parents, something you can see, in the different way he reacts to either pair on video call. I was hoping to rectify that next week and we’d already isolated for 10 days so far to make it safe.

We will go to the in-laws for Xmas as we’re already in a childcare bubble with them so no real issues for this n the day festivities, but truly feel for those trapped by themselves, it’s going to cost lives.

On the plus side, it means 2 Xmas’ next year!!
 
Not having a go at you in the slightest, at the end of the day we have been told that’s what we can do. Just pointing out the impact that one day can cause for months down the line when millions of households are mixing. Personally I don’t believe it’s worth the inevitable third lockdown and it feels like the sacrifices we have already made are about to be thrown away, but again it’s completely understandable that people are sick and want some normality.
hope you have a good Christmas
This is a mental health pandemic as well.
That has been completely forgotten about.
Loneliness is horrible.
Depression is a horrible affliction. Six weeks ago on my 50th birthday I stood in the pouring rain by the side of the road for 20 mins thinking about jumping in front of every car that went past.
So forgive me for not caring.
 
That’s another typical condescending and personal post from you. I’m used to them. Shame you’re missing the point that I DO sympathise and empathise and it’s exactly for these reasons I’m against people meeting up at Christmas. It’ll make things worse next year. If we want to get out of this crisis as quick as possible then we should not be meeting up at Christmas. What you somehow have missed it’s precisely because I DONT want people suffering too much next year that I’m against meeting up at Christmasim
You clearly dont have any sympathy for those struggling with isolation and mental health issues, so b***r off with any proclamation you do. You seem to never get what a number of posters on this board see in you that you dont see in yourself: your humble brags about your car, your flat (with gym), your travels, your cleaning staff etc. all the while there's people, not just on here, that are going through some really tough times.

One day you may have the boot on the other foot. With your current attitude, you may not get as much support and sustainance as some of have benefited from and are thankful for

Words of advice: dont be a dīck
 
That’s another typical condescending and personal post from you. I’m used to them. Shame you’re missing the point that I DO sympathise and empathise and it’s exactly for these reasons I’m against people meeting up at Christmas. It’ll make things worse next year. If we want to get out of this crisis as quick as possible then we should not be meeting up at Christmas. What you somehow have missed it’s precisely because I DONT want people suffering too much next year that I’m against meeting up at Christmas
But balls to the folks who are desperate for some contact with friends and family, even though the likelihood of spreading is small? Would you rather have suicide or C19 on the death certificate? And that's not an exaggeration

And you'll know my views on the 5 day thing if you read my posts, so dont pull that sh*t
 
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You have my sympathy. Lots of us are struggling through this year. It doesn’t alter the fact that meeting up at Christmas will bring longer and probably stricter restrictions in at new year. It’s prolonging the agony for everyone and, I’m sorry, but I just can’t support actions which will almost certainly lengthen the suffering next year
But will it if people keep to the same distance and hygiene measures and wear a mask when necessary is it any more dangerous than going to the supermarket.
 
I do understand and I do care. Which is why I do t want anything to happen to prolong this agony. Which meeting up at Christmas surely will. It’s common sense to me to try and end this. Not have a gathering far too wary that will extend everyone’s suffering next year
Maybe not meeting his family for christmas might mean he isnt here next year, thought about that?

Aet speaks openly on here about his struggles. Thats brave. You tar everyone with same brush without taking into account individual circumstances
 
Pretty devastating with this announcement today and not sure what to do.
Not to go into too much detail but both my Daughter and Partner were diagnosed with a genetic muscle wasting condition this year, and don’t know how many Christmas we’ll have. Could be 1 could be 20.
We’ve followed the rules strictly throughout and were looking forward to this window for my Daughter to meet some family she’s never met. Us and them don’t want to break the rules, but in the same vein in terms of threat of any of us getting the virus hasn’t changed just because of a press conference.
 
This is a mental health pandemic as well.
That has been completely forgotten about.
Loneliness is horrible.
Depression is a horrible affliction. Six weeks ago on my 50th birthday I stood in the pouring rain by the side of the road for 20 mins thinking about jumping in front of every car that went past.
So forgive me for not caring.
Hope you enjoy your Christmas mate. And make judicious use of the ignore button. Let's hope 21s better for all of us. Take care.
 
There are no winners in this (outside those profiteering on the back of it) so it's pointless trying to find any or indeed burning any bridges by vilifying anyone for their opinions or actions.
These restrictions all have far reaching implications and that's why I posted earlier that we missed the boat as a nation to drive down the infections so that we could get things under control. We have to deal with the situation as best we can and face the potential consequences of our choices, whatever they may be.
 
But balls to the folks who are desperate for some contact with friends and family, even though the likelihood of spreading is small? Would you rather have suicide or C19 on the death certificate? And that's not an exaggeration

And you'll know my views on the 5 day thing if you read my posts, so dont pull that sh*t
I don’t know how many times I have to explain to you that it’s precisely because people are feeling suicidal and lonely that I don’t want people to gather at Christmas. I guess you’d just rather have a self righteous holier than though argument with me then listen to my logical. Shame but I’m out. Not interested in your vendetta anymore it’s so tedious
 
But will it if people keep to the same distance and hygiene measures and wear a mask when necessary is it any more dangerous than going to the supermarket.
I think so, yes. Although I'm not saying supermarkets are safe. But you'll be in close proximity for longer. Also you're likely to live the virus (if infected) on more surfaces in the house that can be picked up by the host.
 
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