These Coronavirus figures

You only have to read the reddit thread to know the uk are behind the 8ball when it comes to the delay tactics. ICU will be overwhelmed within a few weeks
 
"Dont think its changed hygiene thoughts one iota in the pubs I visited over weekend. In London or Redcar scunners still not washing their hands. "

dooderooni said:
Well we're all going to get it then if that's the case asred.
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Same in Boro popped into Central for a cider after Frank Turner last night. Out of the 5 people who used the toilet while I was there I was the only one who washed their hands. Maybe Pubs should be putting up signs. Know they shouldn't have to but something needs doing.
 
The problem is that politics is based upon lies and smearing opponents by whatever means. Nobody trusts anything that comes from the government or any opposition party. We are told not to trust experts by politicians for years, and now we are told to trust what the health experts say.

The older people get, the more the distrust grows. You can see it with topics such as with global warming. "They said we'd be dead by now" etc. The older generation definitely will feel like they've heard all of the scare stories before, and live by personal life experience.

I know I would feel a little embarrassed to wash my hands thoroughly when other people are around. As I would feel that I was being judged for being 'gullible', for believing it all when it's "just the flu".
 
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I was at a match on Saturday, and three lads in their teens/20s were sat in the row in front. One of them got out some hand sanitizer half way through and applied it. (I thought it was a good sign). I also saw more people washing their hands with soap in the toilets, both in the ground and the pubs afterwards.

I was encouraged, but I guess it depends where you are and what you see, as to whether it feels like the message is getting through!!
 
I stopped at a motorway McDonald’s the other day to use the loo. Out of the half a dozen or so blokes that used it while I was there, there was a lot of token hand washing-rinsing under a tap for 3 or 4 seconds with no soap, then shaking ‘dry’ and walking out.
Almost as though they felt they had to do something so as not to be judged. A pathetic token gesture.
Why not just go the whole hog and wash them properly? Are people really that busy these days that they can’t take one solitary extra minute in the toilets to wash their hands??
 
and to show that the Chinese understand irony ... my son's organisation are now pre planning for the ex-pats who left to return to Wuhan in a few months.

The authorities will likely require anyone returning from regions where the virus is not under control (Europe, which includes the UK) will need to be quarantined for 14 days.
 
Why do people feel we are too late with the delaying tactics? We've fewer cases than the other populous European countries.

Talk of large percentage of the population getting it is obviously a very long term issue.
Less than 100000 cases in the epicentre China. What percentage of the population is that? There are a billion people in China. 0.1% I think.

Politics are largely irrelevant. It's professionals who are dealing with this.
 
bear66 said:
After a wasted 3 weeks they went for total delay tactics with 'house arrest' and forced health checks and hospitalisation.
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Yes and they were in a much worse state than we are now. And I don't believe the extreme tactics were extended beyond Wuhan were they? You didn't have a billion Chinese all not setting foot outside their house for a month.
 
Yes.

Aggressive “social distancing” measures implemented in the entire country included canceling sporting events and shuttering theaters. Schools extended breaks that began in mid-January for the Lunar New Year. Many businesses closed shop. Anyone who went outdoors had to wear a mask.
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has to be a balancing act regarding closing areas off & big Gov driven policy..
Getting the information out into the open - main stream media & websites (trusted, reputable & accountable websites) plus NHS & WHO... people can make good decisions & have a positive affect: more social distancing, better hygiene routines & being responsible..

China like Iran & to some degree USA tried to play down at best & cover up at worst the effects & even existence of the virus & therefore their citizens were left in the dark about it..

I think Italy may have just been too slow to act & especially stop their usual, very close greeting rituals..

Being a little more standoff'ish can be a good British trait after all: a nod is as good as a handshake for a Briton don't you know..
 
br14 said:
However crazy Trump is, he is simply trying to keep people calm in the only way he knows how (i.e. not terribly convincingly). You may want to run around with your arms in the air, but the truth is the virus will "go away" once it has done its worst - which could be anywhere from a few months to a year. So he's not entirely wrong. As a 73 year old he's more vulnerable than most posters on this board - although he happens to be a clean freak. Constantly washed his hands before the virus scare.

Contrary to news reports over the past few years Trump has actually invested more money in public health - admittedly his current budget attempts to cut that back - but that has been rapidly amended.
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I don't know where you're getting this from. Trump has consistently cut health spending - in particular the areas that were designed to deal with global disease control and pandemics. I don't know about trying to keep people calm, pretty much all he's done is lie and spread misinformation about the coronavirus.

There are some areas of health-related programs where US government spending has increased but that is in programs that had automatic increases built-in or where the Congress blocked his attempts. So any increases were despite Trump, not because of him.

Trump has already cut national health spending by $15 billion and his 2018 budget contained plans for nearly $2 trillion in healthcare spending reductions (primarily from Medicaid).

As mentioned, Trump cut nearly all the government spending programs involved in global disease control, including the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic, set up under President Obama. See the following article from Foreign Policy:

Coronavirus - US Public Health Response
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Talk of large percentage of the population getting it is obviously a very long term issue.
Less than 100000 cases in the epicentre China. What percentage of the population is that? There are a billion people in China. 0.1% I think
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The population of China is over 1.4 billion and they have 80,790 confirmed cases. Unless my maths is off, the percentage of the Chinese population confirmed with coronavirus is approx 0.0057.
 
Figures in the US may be - way off - anyway.. it seems that it costs $1000 if you have insurance & $3200 is you don't.. un-real

I feel for those without the means to test.. though I guess it will be even more expensive to treat..

A tweet ( wrong, as it invariably turns out ) went round saying: "If you don't have insurance and can't afford to take the $3,200 test for the virus ($1,000 with insurance), DONATE BLOOD," she writes. "They HAVE to test you for the virus in order to donate blood."
 
BobUpnDown said:
Figures in the US may be - way off - anyway.. it seems that it costs $1000 if you have insurance & $3200 is you don't.. un-real

I feel for those without the means to test.. though I guess it will be even more expensive to treat..

A tweet ( wrong, as it invariably turns out ) went round saying: "If you don't have insurance and can't afford to take the $3,200 test for the virus ($1,000 with insurance), DONATE BLOOD," she writes. "They HAVE to test you for the virus in order to donate blood."
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It depends on the State. So far, New York, California, Washington and Nevada have mandated free testing. That, of course, assumes that there are testing kits available.
 
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