The Wembley Jib

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ah a brexit benefit, in charge of our own laws etc. Maybe one day the mugwumps who voted for brexit will recognise that we live in a homogenous world where trying to cut yourselves off and have complete autonomy over your own laws is impossible. We will find it very difficult to get cooperation and access to that data then?! Of course our government would love to use situations like this to create a chinese style access to the internet, stopping us getting to any info that they don't deem appropriate.
 
I mentioned this on the England Fans thread yesterday. This is what I mean about it perhaps not all appearing as it was. I think there was two distinct situations going on at Wembley. A large group without tickets, but with Monday off work wanted to make the day of it. The plan was probably drink and party in the area before going to the pubs for the game. It was that lot who basically made a right mess leaving cans, bottles and stuff all over.

The second group were organised with the intention of this jibbing thing. It's likely that the group intending to drink and party became aware of jibbing and fancied a piece of the action and it's all escalated very quickly.
 
I mentioned this on the England Fans thread yesterday. This is what I mean about it perhaps not all appearing as it was. I think there was two distinct situations going on at Wembley. A large group without tickets, but with Monday off work wanted to make the day of it. The plan was probably drink and party in the area before going to the pubs for the game. It was that lot who basically made a right mess leaving cans, bottles and stuff all over.

The second group were organised with the intention of this jibbing thing. It's likely that the group intending to drink and party became aware of jibbing and fancied a piece of the action and it's all escalated very quickly.
.....and this Pablo guy attempting to justify it all. Is this what we've become?
 
Well whatever the cause there’s one thing for certain now ..............England ain’t ever going to hold a tournament for a very long time to come 😡
 
.....and this Pablo guy attempting to justify it all. Is this what we've become?
It's completely unacceptable and a total lack of effective control from the FA and Met. Reports are suggesting that jibbing was happening for the Denmark game too. If that's the case, it was probably happening for the Germany game and perhaps all the group games.

The big difference with those and the Final is the lack of a large unrelated group drinking in very close proximity. Surely someone knew this jibbing thing was happening and it should have been stopped immediately.
 
I’ll bet Johnson and Carrie wont have bought a ticket either.
Well whatever the cause there’s one thing for certain now ..............England ain’t ever going to hold a tournament for a very long time to come 😡
I am sad to say this, but I’m glad. We are not fit or worthy to. Organised selfish mobs doing what they want, whenever they want, without a care for the effect on others safety. They’ll all be bragging about it to their mates. I hope enough are daft enough to do so on social media and can be found. You’d think the cameras in the stadium would help highlight those not entitled to be sat in certain areas.
 
I was at France in 2016 and was lucky enough to go to four games out there. The security was immense, you couldn't get anywhere near the stadiums without a ticket. For England vs Wales, we waited about 90 minutes to get in and just to say made the anthems. Granted, France was reeling from the attack at the Bataclan but still, it highlights a massive failure of security at Wembley.

I would take the World Cup qualifying games off Wembley and let the national team tour England as a show of support to the real fans who have supported them throughout the Euros.
 
Just on the "jibbing" too. The Professor I mentioned yesterday explained in the article that Wembley has been known as a soft touch for years. When he was researching policing at football, he became aware of people who had "jibbed" their way into the Champions League Final in 2011 (Manchester United v Barcelona).
 
I wonder how it manifested itself in the stadium ? Ok it was just over half capacity but an extra 5k yobs who’ll defo have been drunk and doubtless without face masks etc must have imposed themselves in proper fans ‘personal’ space and safety .

Imagine if you paid a fair whack for your family including young ones who will have been likely exposed to the Neanderthals and your family got the virus . I’d go ballistic albeit you couldn’t prove it .

It’s just the me,me,me generation ripping up all the rules of common decency and respect . Blimey I’m so glad I’m in my fifties
 
I wonder how it manifested itself in the stadium ? Ok it was just over half capacity but an extra 5k yobs who’ll defo have been drunk and doubtless without face masks etc must have imposed themselves in proper fans ‘personal’ space and safety .

Imagine if you paid a fair whack for your family including young ones who will have been likely exposed to the Neanderthals and your family got the virus . I’d go ballistic albeit you couldn’t prove it .

It’s just the me,me,me generation ripping up all the rules of common decency and respect . Blimey I’m so glad I’m in my fifties
Likewise - In my 50's and worry about the future of this country. It runs a lot deeper than this fiasco.
 
I wonder how it manifested itself in the stadium ? Ok it was just over half capacity but an extra 5k yobs who’ll defo have been drunk and doubtless without face masks etc must have imposed themselves in proper fans ‘personal’ space and safety .

Imagine if you paid a fair whack for your family including young ones who will have been likely exposed to the Neanderthals and your family got the virus . I’d go ballistic albeit you couldn’t prove it .

It’s just the me,me,me generation ripping up all the rules of common decency and respect . Blimey I’m so glad I’m in my fifties
Common decency and football are light years apart.
 
I wonder how it manifested itself in the stadium ? Ok it was just over half capacity but an extra 5k yobs who’ll defo have been drunk and doubtless without face masks etc must have imposed themselves in proper fans ‘personal’ space and safety .

Imagine if you paid a fair whack for your family including young ones who will have been likely exposed to the Neanderthals and your family got the virus . I’d go ballistic albeit you couldn’t prove it .

It’s just the me,me,me generation ripping up all the rules of common decency and respect . Blimey I’m so glad I’m in my fifties
According to reports, that's exactly how it panned out. Those getting inside ended up in areas where genuine fans were supposed to be. Some even got into the section where 1000 Italians had been in a bio-secure bubble.

It's a total failure from Wembley. They must have known about this jibbing thing for years, but accepted it as harmless given it was happening at club level and probably involved low numbers of people. It was a perfect storm scenario for the EURO Final though. Those aware of jibbing realising that with 30k spare seats available, it was a wide open chance to get into the game without a ticket, by doing what they've always done. They've organised it on social media and the word has spread during the day to those already in the area. Madness.
 
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