* The Unofficial “Official” Chelsea v Boro - Carabao Cup SF [2nd leg] Match-Night Thread *

Silly tactic with howson one minute a midfielder the next a centre half. Left a big gap right in front of glover as every time he stepped out the gap was too big between fry and van den berg.

Add to that the over play and we were done.
 
Borodrew said:
Silly tactic with howson one minute a midfielder the next a centre half. Left a big gap right in front of glover as every time he stepped out the gap was too big between fry and van den berg.

Add to that the over play and we were done.
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It didn’t work sadly.
 
I’m just disappointed we gifted them so many goals, I mean we almost did the same in the first leg but for poor finishing. But when you concede the first through a mistake, surely you need to be more switched on after that.

Oh well, we’ll still have the memories of the first leg and the atmosphere we all enjoyed that night.

We got stuffed by Brighton last year and it didn’t derail our season. Focus back on the league and Sunderland at home.
 
BoroMad87 said:
Neville has done my head in but his analysis has been spot on, Carrick has to learn to adapt his style, I love the football we play but sometimes tactics have to change to suite the opposition as some of our playing staff are not quite good enough at the very top level.

I know we are hammered by injuries but the tactical tweaks / issues have been the same all season in the championship too.

Hopefully we learn a lot from this experience and punishment and take some Intesity into the final few months of the season and give it a good go.

Nor the manager or some of our wanted players are quite ready for the top just yet!

UTB
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The arrogance of us to think we can play out from the back against top Premier league players utterly ridiculous tatics. You wouldn't expect defenders in a lower league team to go to say anfield and play out from the back but we thought it ok to let middling championship defenders play out against world class players absolute madness
 
Diego said:
It didn’t work sadly.
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Seem to remember Carrick playing a similar role under Fergie in big games? Didn't work tonight but Chelsea exploited it in a fashion that few of our usual opponents would have done.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but Djiksteel WB and the three centre halves may have worked better, even though it would have pushed us even further back.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
I’m just disappointed we gifted them so many goals, I mean we almost did the same in the first leg but for poor finishing. But when you concede the first through a mistake, surely you need to be more switched on after that.

Oh well, we’ll still have the memories of the first leg and the atmosphere we all enjoyed that night.

We got stuffed by Brighton last year and it didn’t derail our season. Focus back on the league and Sunderland at home.
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I think we all knew it would be an uphill struggle tonight but as fans we wanted to believe, it is what we do. We need to get players fit, O'Brien is going to play a big part and it would be good to get a striker in.

I would give the lads a few days off now and then get them all back in and go again. It would be good to put a good run together.
 
Playing out is our style. We did it pretty well against Villa. To completely change tactics and start hoofing it would not have resulted in a better performance or result. Carrick stuck to his guns and what the players are used to and generally being successful with. Unfortunately never came off tonight. It was always a longshot.
 
Yeah we were pretty embarrassing tonight. Coaching and playing.
Fans were top notch as always 👌.
Focus on getting some of thr injuries sorted out in next 11 days, no play off talk until May. Professional performances, get rid of Rogers, get a proper striker in who can score, maybe a left back who can string a pass and defend also.
Anything else is a bonus really.
 
Glover_elbow said:
The arrogance of us to think we can play out from the back against top Premier league players utterly ridiculous tatics. You wouldn't expect defenders in a lower league team to go to say anfield and play out from the back but we thought it ok to let middling championship defenders play out against world class players absolute madness
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Many lower league teams do exactly that now and pretty much have since the rule change.
 
Playing out from the back is what we do. To swap and change this because it doesn’t work occasionally is not the way forward. You either commit it 100% or you find a different way to play. I am fully behind this and it will win us more games than we lose. Too many dinosaurs about shouting for us to ‘just get rid of it’. Didn’t work tonight but we do exactly the same against Sunderland please.
 
MVBoro said:
Playing out is our style. We did it pretty well against Villa. To completely change tactics and start hoofing it would not have resulted in a better performance or result. Carrick stuck to his guns and what the players are used to and generally being successful with. Unfortunately never came off tonight. It was always a longshot.
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I disagree completely you cant play out from the back against vastly superior players you have to be pragmatic. At least half the goals tonight were brought about from careless overplaying
 
Glover_elbow said:
I disagree completely you cant play out from the back against vastly superior players you have to be pragmatic. At least half the goals tonight were brought about from careless overplaying
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I don’t entirely disagree with that, but don’t think we could play differently with who we had tonight.
 
Glover_elbow said:
I disagree completely you cant play out from the back against vastly superior players you have to be pragmatic. At least half the goals tonight were brought about from careless overplaying
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You can't just lump it either without an outlet, it's just as careless.
 
Glover_elbow said:
I disagree completely you cant play out from the back against vastly superior players you have to be pragmatic. At least half the goals tonight were brought about from careless overplaying
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Were you saying that after the Villa game or the first leg to a lesser extent. The philosophy Carrick has is that you build up play from the back and have more space for the forwards. Ideally over time, we will have better individuals to implement this, but generally I think we will be successful more often than not, playing this way (obviously not tonight though).
He could have gone the other way and told the players to just lump it, but I'm sure the ball would have simply just been recycled and we'd be under the cosh again and eventually conceded!
 
Glover_elbow said:
I disagree completely you cant play out from the back against vastly superior players you have to be pragmatic. At least half the goals tonight were brought about from careless overplaying
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We gave them the win, no doubt about that, but there will be a mental difficulty playing against a team which cost the money they did, with all the guile and movement they have, on their home ground in a big game. Add to that our lack of outlet up front (and I’m not criticising Rogers) due to injuries.

It‘s easy to be harsh but our players clearly suffered under the pressure tonight.

Disappointing but the class and money gap showed in a few different ways tonight.
 
MVBoro said:
Were you saying that after the Villa game or the first leg to a lesser extent. The philosophy Carrick has is that you build up play from the back and have more space for the forwards. Ideally over time, we will have better individuals to implement this, but generally I think we will be successful more often than not, playing this way (obviously not tonight though).
He could have gone the other way and told the players to just lump it, but I'm sure the ball would have simply just been recycled and we'd be under the cosh again and eventually conceded!
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Against villa we did actually play it longer more often
 
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