The republicanism thread.

Scrug said:
I think they watched it because it was a momentous occasion rather than a love for the monarchy. The British have a tendency to view themselves as spectacular, in reality, the rest of the world sees us the way we see Americans.
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Both of those points are your opinion and stereotypical in nature and not quantifiable without substantial polling for proof.
 
coluka said:
Where are your large numbers, did you not watch the footage? You are making stuff up that does not fit the reality. A republic we will not be any time soon
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I haven’t said we would be, just pointing out many don’t support the monarchy as is their right

Didn’t watch a second of the footage but even if 10 million attended it doesn’t make a difference to my point
 
JM14 said:
I haven’t said we would be, just pointing out many don’t support the monarchy as is their right

Didn’t watch a second of the footage but even if 10 million attended it doesn’t make a difference to my point
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But it does, you just do not want to see it
 
coluka said:
But it does, you just do not want to see it
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How? I’m saying plenty of people don’t share your views. Yes probably more support the monarchy that don’t but those who don’t have every right to speak out/protest etc
 
JM14 said:
Do 4 billion people even have access to a tv? Highly doubt the numbers reported are anywhere near correct
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Seriously, You doubt that the death of the queen has that little impact?

I have never doubted the right of folk to want a republic, but there is a time and a place, today was not it.
 
HarryVegas said:
I'd get rid of the monarchy tomorrow. Nothing to do with the people themselves - I was quite fond of the Queen from what I saw of her, and I actually like Charles - but it's a ridiculous and anti-democratic institution. Having said that, when I look at one of the main driving forces towards abolition - Murdoch - my resolve weakens. If he's on one side, I instinctively want to be on the other.

Having said all that, I think the people of our country - and I'm talking specifically about England here - must like being on their knees. You can see it in their voting history and how protective they are of their betters.
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Did you not think today was great for our country ? Im not massively into the Royals or anything but i thought it was amazing from start to finish and brought most of the country together. Imagine just being a boring republic ?
 
It's not happening any time soon: even before the queen's death, roughly 65% were pro monarchy with around 20% being pro republic. The rest were indifferent or undecided.

There is stronger support amongst the young for a republic, but we know from studies overtime that many young firebrand republicans become monarchists as they mature.

I see the republicans being in a similar position to that brexiteers were. I don't mean to be insulting with that, but we can agree that both groups advocate change. I feel the burden of proof is in on the side advocating change: we can't have another jam tomorrow farce like brexit.

Therefore, if the republican cause is to be taken seriously, there needs to be some reliable research done into the motivation of tourist coming to the UK. I do believe interest in the monarchy is a deciding factor for many to visit Britain, and I wouldn't endanger the livelihood of thousands without better evidence than we have now. As I said, I see the burden of proof being in the side advocating change.

I've also not heard any convincing argument that monarchy reduces social mobility, or that monarchy leads to imperialism. The evidence we have doesn't support either point
 
coluka said:
Seriously, You doubt that the death of the queen has that little impact?

I have never doubted the right of folk to want a republic, but there is a time and a place, today was not it.
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1/3 of the worlds population don’t even have access to internet, 1/2 billion won’t even have access to a phone. So no I don’t believe for a second that 4/5 billion people watched it as is being reported. That would mean almost every single person with a phone/TV was watching today and that clearly wasn’t the case.

Protest should be allowed at any time but as seen over the last week that’s another right that’s slowly being removed
 
There has been a pent up republican minority busting a gut to vent their spleens.

That is their right; they will be an extremely loud minority, dominating social media.
But ultimately there will be a Coronation next year because only 22% of the population wanted a republic recently. The events of the last ten days will not have increased that.
It's healthy to question, fair to challenge, but what is it they say: "An empty can rattles the most".

Charles, then William will rationalise and modernise the Monarchy and continue the changes his mother started.
 
JM14 said:
1/3 of the worlds population don’t even have access to internet, 1/2 billion won’t even have access to a phone. So no I don’t believe for a second that 4/5 billion people watched it as is being reported. That would mean almost every single person with a phone/TV was watching today and that clearly wasn’t the case.

Protest should be allowed at any time but as seen over the last week that’s another right that’s slowly being removed
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So your view trumps others, i dispute your figures and narative. Protests are allowed, they need to be lawful though. Language used when offensive is rightly shut down.
 
JM14 said:
1/3 of the worlds population don’t even have access to internet, 1/2 billion won’t even have access to a phone. So no I don’t believe for a second that 4/5 billion people watched it as is being reported. That would mean almost every single person with a phone/TV was watching today and that clearly wasn’t the case.

Protest should be allowed at any time but as seen over the last week that’s another right that’s slowly being removed
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When you said won’t after 1/2 billion that tells me you’re just making stats up to fit your point of view.
 
coluka said:
So your view trumps others, i dispute your figures and narative. Protests are allowed, they need to be lawful though. Language used when offensive is rightly shut down.
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Where have I said that? You seem very upset that anyone dares do have a different view on this. Have a quick look the stats are probably easy enough to find

Someone was arrested for holding up a sign last week, it would suggest protests aren’t allowed on this matter
 
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