The Reckoning - BBC Drama on Savile

BoroMart said:
Does society learn anything by studying the most evil of people?
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Possibly we do but not through a mini series drama format. I think its gholish and crass from the bbc they are not trying to educate or inform at all, around the motivations of the man. I can only see this show ending badly for the beeb and i have to question their motives for dramtising such events on an entertainment platform.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Possibly we do but not through a mini series drama format. I think its gholish and crass from the bbc they are not trying to educate or inform at all, around the motivations of the man. I can only see this show ending badly for the beeb and i have to question their motives for dramtising such events on an entertainment platform.
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What about Netflix making a show about Jill Dando's murder? Is that also crass?
 
BoroMart said:
I was living in Leeds in the mid/early 90s and was told by a friend/nurse that the staff had all been told that at no point was Saville allowed to be alone with children, or anyone vulnerable. She said the word was that he was an awful, awful person. That it was an open secret amongst staff, and that everyone took it in turns to keep an eye on him when he was in the building.

This was about 94 maybe. People in positions to do something knew, but did nothing.
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Much earlier Mart.
My stepdad came from the Wakefield/Leeds and was a pretty good piano player.
In the early days Savile used to run dances in various venues around there, and my stepdad
played in a couple of of bands who did gigs for him.
Years on I was back visiting home and sat alone watching a tv programme Savile was on.
Old fella walked in and completely lost the plot. He was the calmest person and never swore.
Suddenly he was screaming at the tele. “ Never have anything to do with that f’n s**t he is absolute evil”. Went on for awhile….then left the room. He never mentioned it again, and I knew better than to ask.
 
BoroMart said:
I was living in Leeds in the mid/early 90s and was told by a friend/nurse that the staff had all been told that at no point was Saville allowed to be alone with children, or anyone vulnerable. She said the word was that he was an awful, awful person. That it was an open secret amongst staff, and that everyone took it in turns to keep an eye on him when he was in the building.

This was about 94 maybe. People in positions to do something knew, but did nothing.
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I was working in Leeds about the same time. I remember his name coming up in conversation which was actually about Stuart Sutcliffe. I can't remember how the conversation went but it seemed to be suggested that there was a possibility that they knew each other before he was caught. It makes you wonder.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I was working in Leeds about the same time. I remember his name coming up in conversation which was actually about Stuart Sutcliffe. I can't remember how the conversation went but it seemed to be suggested that there was a possibility that they knew each other before he was caught. It makes you wonder.
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He died in 1962 mind?

You mean Peter don't you.... ;)
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I was working in Leeds about the same time. I remember his name coming up in conversation which was actually about Stuart Sutcliffe. I can't remember how the conversation went but it seemed to be suggested that there was a possibility that they knew each other before he was caught. It makes you wonder.
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Peter suttcliffe I think you mean

Unless this about the early Beatles days
 
Glover_elbow said:
Possibly we do but not through a mini series drama format. I think its gholish and crass from the bbc they are not trying to educate or inform at all, around the motivations of the man. I can only see this show ending badly for the beeb and i have to question their motives for dramtising such events on an entertainment platform.
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The reality of the man was hidden behind a veil, you can't put any real footage out their to show who he really was. The story can only be told through draamatisation. That's kinda the point in this.

The proof will be known when/if you watch it, are they trying to educate, I'm not prejudiced about that, you've made a decision without seeing it.

The Beeb didn't make this, it was made by ITV but is being shown on the Beeb.

Also it is factually wrong to say the Beeb are just an entertainment platform, they are also an education platform.
 
BoroMart said:
I was living in Leeds in the mid/early 90s and was told by a friend/nurse that the staff had all been told that at no point was Saville allowed to be alone with children, or anyone vulnerable. She said the word was that he was an awful, awful person. That it was an open secret amongst staff, and that everyone took it in turns to keep an eye on him when he was in the building.

This was about 94 maybe. People in positions to do something knew, but did nothing.
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I was told this in 1970 (Leeds-related) and again in 75 by someone from Rampton Hospital. They'd had clear instructions never to leave him unsupervised.
 
atypical_boro said:
What about Netflix making a show about Jill Dando's murder? Is that also crass?
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Yep. Also the Princess Di stuff, the Fred and Rosemary West stuff, Sutcliffe, etc. etc. exploitative and as far as I can tell adds nothing to our knowledge about what went on. So what is the point?

Investigative journalism, do that. Dramatising someone else's misery, don't do that.

I find it repugnant to make a drama out of these things. I find it perplexing that anyone should want to watch it. I must be the strange one...
 
Muttley said:
Yep. Also the Princess Di stuff, the Fred and Rosemary West stuff, Sutcliffe, etc. etc. exploitative and as far as I can tell adds nothing to our knowledge about what went on. So what is the point?

Investigative journalism, do that. Dramatising someone else's misery, don't do that.

I find it repugnant to make a drama out of these things. I find it perplexing that anyone should want to watch it. I must be the strange one...
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What about war films?



Or Titanic 😂
 
AytonMews said:
What about war films?



Or Titanic 😂
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I was just gonna mention Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan. Hardly investigative journalism. Or that film about when they captured and killed Osama Bin Laden? Looked like it was dramatising someone else's misery to me. There are countless movies and series about these type things.

The fact that many of the victims were consulted and involved in production makes it probably ok in my eyes and may even be doing something for their souls, some of whom were present on set during filming. But if people are revolted on their behalf, that's up to them.

"Ms Brown said she wants The Reckoning to be a hard watch 'because this wasn't easy for us guys and if it isn't a hard watch, you aren't coming away with anything. You're not having that opportunity to learn and this is very relevant to all the other groomers. The pattern is the same. I feel strongly enough to do this and my life is to do this. We all kind of think that everyone looks at us and kind of thinks we are a bit rubbish and you know we aren't really worth much and that is what you feel like. I want everyone at home to know that… We are strong and we have succeeded as people, that's really important for me."
 
Ive just finished watching all 4 episodes, I’m not sure what to make of it. It was a grim watch, Coogan was brilliant but I’m not sure it was the right format. I just don’t know what the point of it is really
 
Ironops said:
Ive just finished watching all 4 episodes, I’m not sure what to make of it. It was a grim watch, Coogan was brilliant but I’m not sure it was the right format. I just don’t know what the point of it is really
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I caught the first episode this evening and it was a hard watch I have to admit.

The point of making the show is well documented in the above articles posted. Basically the programme is shining a torch on how individuals can and have used influential status to behave and intimidate in a nefarious and criminal manner unchallenged by authorities including the gaslighting of victims and the hoodwinking of police and authorities including the BBC. I hope it emboldens future victims to come forward as much as the “me too” movement has successfully done.
 
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