The Hot Weather Madness

  • UK record 40C temperature for first time in history
  • ‘Unprecedented’ 22 major wildfires across UK
  • Fire services declare major incidents on day of record heat
  • At least 10 people die in open water during UK’s searing heatwave
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Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
  • UK record 40C temperature for first time in history
  • ‘Unprecedented’ 22 major wildfires across UK
  • Fire services declare major incidents on day of record heat
  • At least 10 people die in open water during UK’s searing heatwave
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I’ve already seen one of the usual attention seeking grifters suggesting that the fires weren’t weather related, even going as far as suggesting the real causes were covered up as it suited the climate change narrative ‘they’ want to push.🤦🏻‍♂️
Surprised the board’s resident conspiracy loon hasn’t been on yet, to spread that particular one.

I just read that Sadie Khan said on a typical busy day, the London fire service receives approx 350 calls. Yesterday it had in the region of 2600.
 
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ThatFragranceGuy said:
Think this is happening a lot in developing nations as access to education and birth control becomes more prevalent. Developed nations seek to have falling birth rates as well. Global fertility rate in 2019 was half what it was in 1950.

People look at us like we are mad when we say we don't want kids , it's so ingrained in society.
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Not just society , every organism on the planet .

The whole basis of our existence is to procreate and spread our genes as much as possible. We’ve managed to control the pregnancy bit, but it’s why we crave sex .
 
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FabioPorkpie said:
I’ve already seen one of the usual attention seeking grifters suggesting that the fires weren’t weather related, even going as far as suggesting the real causes were covered up as it suited the climate change narrative ‘they’ want to push.🤦🏻‍♂️
Surprised the board’s resident conspiracy loon hasn’t been on yet, to spread that particular one.

I just read that Sadie Khan said on a typical busy day, the London fire service receives approx 350 calls. Yesterday it had in the region of 2600.
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Melville by any chance?
 
GazC_MFC said:
Busiest day for London fire brigade eh

But hey stop complaining and enjoy the sun. The boomers survived the summer of 76
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Absolutely we did, went camping in Jersey that year. The weather today is about how it was back then. Thankfully it was a lot cooler than it has been the last two days.
 
Funky_Chicken said:
Yes - Andy is a perfect example of the worst kind of hypocrite. Someone with money who thinks they can justify trawling round the world on planes by waving a wad around
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Not really, I said I would be happy to pay more for greener energy, because I think the UK needs to be self sustaining to make us less vulnerable (which is better for everyone economically). Also said a few times I would happily pay more tax, if everyone else in my bracket or above was too, and that we should loan people money to get solar installed in their homes, and then recoup that back once the installation had paid for itself.

I'm not responsible for more CO2 than the average person (I'm probably less), but more importantly my entire work and my own company is built around a technology which is offsetting that massively, which I've been doing for 15 years. It's what you do as a whole package, nobody is perfect, but some are better than others.

Just because you take less flights doesn't make you or your life net zero.

Interesting that you didn't reply to my comment below:

Which is the better return?
I take £10 from you, but give you £1000 as a good gesture for the loan, and you lose £5 down a drain
I take £5 from you, and you lose £5 down a drain
I take £10 from you, and you lose £5 down a drain
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I'll make it simpler for you:

Who is doing their bit (in their whole life), with regards to CO2 emissions?
1) I contribute the average amount of CO2 for a UK person, but created a company which promotes green technology/ installation alternatives, and also work on wind and solar farms as a designer/ consultant and employ the installers, so make their export cable routes more efficient/ greener. I expect this saves at least 100x what I'm responsible for as an individual, per year, probably many of orders of magnitude higher. I'm very much pro using green energy, even if it costs more, as it will be worth it in the long run (and avoid situations like now).
2) I contribute 25% less CO2 than an average person, but have zero interest in helping make others more efficient and chose an industry more lucrative.
3) I contribute the same CO2 as an average person, but have zero interest in helping make others more efficient and chose an industry more lucrative.
4) Whatever you do, which may be below average, but nowhere near net zero.
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Do you criticise people travelling to climate seminars? Do you think we would have dropped emissions by 40% in 15 years, if they hadn't?
Do you criticise people stopping to eat a sandwich, on their way to the food bank?
Do you criticise scientists, using energy, to develop energy processes/ technologies which are far more efficient?
Do you criticise doctors, taking time away from treating, to learn how to treat people better?

People have to be more efficient with time, to get the most out of what they do, and people who are happier tend to work better/ be more productive. To be honest I'm not even that fussed about going on holiday(flying), I'd rather work (still work when I'm away) and retire earlier so I can just move abroad, I only go to keep our lass happy.
 
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Andy_W said:
Not really, I said I would be happy to pay more for greener energy, because I think the UK needs to be self sustaining to make us less vulnerable (which is better for everyone economically). Also said a few times I would happily pay more tax, if everyone else in my bracket or above was too, and that we should loan people money to get solar installed in their homes, and then recoup that back once the installation had paid for itself.

I'm not responsible for more CO2 than the average person (I'm probably less), but more importantly my entire work and my own company is built around a technology which is offsetting that massively, which I've been doing for 15 years. It's what you do as a whole package, nobody is perfect, but some are better than others.

Just because you take less flights doesn't make you or your life net zero.

Interesting that you didn't reply to my comment below:



I'll make it simpler for you:



Do you criticise people travelling to climate seminars? Do you think we would have dropped emissions by 40% in 15 years, if they hadn't?
Do you criticise people stopping to eat a sandwich, on their way to the food bank?
Do you criticise scientists, using energy, to develop energy processes/ technologies which are far more efficient?
Do you criticise doctors, taking time away from treating, to learn how to treat people better?

People have to be more efficient with time, to get the most out of what they do, and people who are happier tend to work better/ be more productive. To be honest I'm not even that fussed about going on holiday(flying), I'd rather work (still work when I'm away) and retire earlier so I can just move abroad, I only go to keep our lass happy.
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You’re beginning to sound like a politician - no amount of whataboutery can alter the fact you’ve chosen to make multiple fights in your life and will continue to do so. It doesn’t matter if you’re prepared to pay more to offset it (you haven’t and probably never will) . One of your trips abroad has probably thrown out more carbon than the average person does in a year. So whilst my trip to Scotland or Cornwall in the 80’s and 90’s in my old petrol car will have thrown out some carbon it will be minuscule in comparison to your long haul flight to wherever. I could do my journey multiple times and still get no where near your one journey carbon emissions aboard your jet, so yes I’m pretty sure my carbon footprint is lower than yours. You made that choice to get on that plane, and by your own admission will continue to do so. You knew what effects that plane’s emissions had and you still were happy to board and travel to wherever. That’s your choice and you’ve committed no crime but to come on here preaching how we have to all change our ways just smacks of hypocrisy when your actions in the past, and your continuing actions in the future, exacerbate the very situation your talking about.
www.theguardian.com

How your flight emits as much CO2 as many people do in a year

Even short-haul flights produce huge amounts of CO2, figures show
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
TeaCider said:
At a certain point there will be more retirees than working age people and the cost of paying for the elderly won't be easily supportable by the working tax payers.
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We desperately need socialist governments to resolve this. There'll be even fewer workers because of automation. The profit that all that productivity brings can either go in the private pockets of billionaires or it could be spread through society.
 
SuperStu said:
We desperately need socialist governments to resolve this. There'll be even fewer workers because of automation. The profit that all that productivity brings can either go in the private pockets of billionaires or it could be spread through society.
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Agreed, but we know which of the two options is more likely.

Automation is wiping out more and more jobs every year, in every industry, I doubt the people losing their jobs/potential jobs will see the benefit.
 
SuperStu said:
The tories already started it under Cameron didn't they. Parents only get paid child benefit for their first 2 kids now.
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Right. But how does that stop people having more than two kids? It had absolutely no bearing on the decision to have third child in our family.
 
Randy said:
Right. But how does that stop people having more than two kids? It had absolutely no bearing on the decision to have third child in our family.
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You simply have to remember that sometimes other people are different from yourself (y) hope that helps.
 
SuperStu said:
You simply have to remember that sometimes other people are different from yourself (y) hope that helps.
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What has that got to go with the question? It doesn't help no.

But then a good three quarters of this board are over the age of 45 so of course we shouldn't be surprised that idea such as limiting the amount of kids people have is bandied about on here. Very China.
 
Randy said:
What has that got to go with the question? It doesn't help no.

But then a good three quarters of this board are over the age of 45 so of course we shouldn't be surprised that idea such as limiting the amount of kids people have is bandied about on here. Very China.
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Over population is causing the death of the planet, how else would you propose we help people have a life worth living

Do you ever think about what the world will be like when your grandchildren are born?
 
Randy said:
What has that got to go with the question? It doesn't help no.

But then a good three quarters of this board are over the age of 45 so of course we shouldn't be surprised that idea such as limiting the amount of kids people have is bandied about on here. Very China.
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Eh? Is there some point you're wanting to make? Seems like you're being deliberately obtuse.

For lots of people, their financial situation would be a big consideration whether to have a(nother) child. For some of those people, money will be tight enough that governments shifting the levers of taxes and benefits could make the difference. Not for you - fine. Great. (y) But not everyone is the exact same as you was my point.
 
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