Quicksilvera
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Hopefully they do, will help prevent any further Russian incursions.
The end?
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TeessideCleveland
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Russian Army Collapses—and Revolution—Near-Certain as Russia Loses War: When/Where Harder to Predict
Losing this badly will help wake up millions of Russians to some level of reality, and they will blame Putin. It is doubtful that the Russian military will keep fighting under these conditions for …
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This bloke (admittedly with a lot of 'I told you sos') thinks it's just a matter time before the dictator is kicked out of Ukraine (including Crimea) and kicked out of Russia
TeessideCleveland
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I hope it's not just wishful thinking, but I am more and more confident Crimea will be liberated now
BoroMart
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Hope so, because stopping at the pre-invasion lines, will for me, give the wrong message. If Putins invaders go home, it'll be spun as they killed the nazis that were insurging on the Donbas region. But retaking Donbas and Crimea cannot be spun, it's an utter failure, and a loss of land that they had control of, at the cost of ~120k Russian mens lives. Politically, I can't see any coming back from that level of failure.
If they get a bit closer in Kherson they should have Sevastapol in range (of the gungnir long range AI missiles). I think that will be their big "deterrent".
That said, Ukrainian infrastructure has been hit by long range missiles today. Maybe reprisals are on their way.
Russia has said that it can use nukes if Ukraine enters Russia, but the Nato has said if nukes are used, then they will enter the conflict.
A bit dangerous at the moment.
Meanwhile, Putin cancelled the speciall meeting he had called with his general staff, saying he didn't want to talk to them.
They probably don't want to talk to him either but neither are they issuing orders to troops on the ground.
Things uncertain in Moscow. Putin still in Sochi (the videos of him in Moscow for the Birthday celebrations are pre-records).
It's eerily quiet in the media. There are ***ed off troops milling around. Factions of the FSB that Putin has ***ed off are looking at an opportunity. Open dissent amongst deputies.
And the normal folk just party on. They haven't been affected at all.
That said, Ukrainian infrastructure has been hit by long range missiles today. Maybe reprisals are on their way.
Russia has said that it can use nukes if Ukraine enters Russia, but the Nato has said if nukes are used, then they will enter the conflict.
A bit dangerous at the moment.
Meanwhile, Putin cancelled the speciall meeting he had called with his general staff, saying he didn't want to talk to them.
They probably don't want to talk to him either but neither are they issuing orders to troops on the ground.
Things uncertain in Moscow. Putin still in Sochi (the videos of him in Moscow for the Birthday celebrations are pre-records).
It's eerily quiet in the media. There are ***ed off troops milling around. Factions of the FSB that Putin has ***ed off are looking at an opportunity. Open dissent amongst deputies.
And the normal folk just party on. They haven't been affected at all.
HundredRoom
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why is very little of all this not being reported in western MSM
BoroMart
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probably an agreed media blackout for operational reasons. I'd guess it will be reported in a couple of days.
Well in the Uk there's not much reporting of anything.
Some of this stuff is coming directly from Russians and Ukranians in places that the Guardian wouldn't know how to find.
Putin has been silent for days. Russia has suffered its biggest military loss since the retreat from Kiev and all that has been seen is pre-records of him opening a sports centre, a big wheel and a speech for Moscow day.
I don't think that the Russian media know how to play it.... and, obviously, any forces manoeuvering for power are doing it behind closed doors.
So far, the UK media has been 2 or 3 days behind because they are just reading and re-hashing foreign news outlets. The daily UK intelligence servise briefing is fairly up to date.
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TeessideCleveland
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I'd say they're still behind. Ukraine are at the border, and have taken IzyumI've found AlJazeera to be pretty good at keeping on top of the war.
A good Russian.
Watch the last 10 minutes at leat.
Watch the last 10 minutes at leat.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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The weapons of mass deception take some coordinating.
Lefty
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Russian leaders do not survive a perceived defeat.
Kruschev was removed after the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, died as the Afghan war progressed badly.
Gorbachev was seen as losing the Cold War and he was not rewarded.
Putin does not survive this.
Kruschev was removed after the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, died as the Afghan war progressed badly.
Gorbachev was seen as losing the Cold War and he was not rewarded.
Putin does not survive this.
Saw this earlier this morning. The fella telling it how it is and using the word war is a brave man. The level of denial amongst the others tells a story of its own. But this debate would not have happened a month ago. So far the sons and daughters of influential middle classes in Moscow and ST Petersburg have been sheltered from the effects of the war. If they decide to mobilise, that all changes.
Abel Tasman
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Wow that’s an interesting watch.
FabioPorkpie
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Brave man, and in the face of a very real threat, imo. As Borolad rightly says, this indicates that something has changed, not least a change in coverage, message and an allowance to openly stray from Putin’s narrative. I hope the guy talking sensibly is seen and heard by those who matter, and isn’t silenced.
BoroMart
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India would not get involved with the west, and I seriously doubt China would either. Too much trade at stake.
That's mostly hot air from people with the Russian nationalist outlook.
The fact of the matter is that the Russian troops left so much hardware behind when they legged it, that Russia is 1) the biggest military donor to the Ukraine and 2) is now behind the Ukraine in terms of military power. And this is before lend/lease kicks in next month.
They don't have enough senior officers available to train the new troops that general mobilisation would bring. And the middle classes in the big cities would revolt if their kids started coming back in body bags.
Zoophonic
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Yes best advice for him is to avoid tea parties for the next few weeks.