The end?

borolad259 said:
There is nuance to this. They aren't "all" despotic. Unfortunately, the best of the options appears to be keeping out of it for now.
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A Russian lady I worked with's uncle had his very successful business stolen from him overnight.
A terrifying story of brutality and theft by halfwit thugs just because they're connected and a completely bent judiciary supported the fully fabricated claims.
You can't turn that around even in a generation.
 
Fascinating and concerning in equal measure.

it feels like the entire culture is 100 years out of date and stuck in a loop.

Thanks for the posts Borolad.
 
I know, there's a game on.
Just seen this.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1577747491176562693

I had been talking with my mate earlier about the doubles thing. Apparently, he has 3. All identified with facial recognition technology by western agencies. They are uncannily alike.
But he has seen all the differences mapped and pointed out.

Apparently real Putin has acquired a lantern jaw (steroids).

Anyway, this one looks different to me. (maybe I am losing it).
 
Interesting moves afoot with the OPEC production cut which has angered the Americans and Russia now striking Zaporizhzhia. Looks far from over (if you believe the MSM).
 
Littlejimmy said:
Interesting moves afoot with the OPEC production cut which has angered the Americans and Russia now striking Zaporizhzhia. Looks far from over (if you believe the MSM).
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Tbh this is all fantastic for the US. They have massive reserves and frack the shyte out of Texas.
They're doing very well out of it all.
One of the easons they blew the Nord Stream pipelines up. And everyone knows it.
 
Scrote said:
Wouldn't the Russians be doing everything they could to get independent inspections done on the blast site then?

The fact they haven't speaks volumes.
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They had zero interest in blowing up Nordstream. Why would they go into Swedish and Danish waters, crawling with NATO to do that when they could blow any part of it up closer to home? And why would they do that when the streams are currently off and mothballed? There are others much more motivated and in a better position t carry that off.
 
Scrote said:
Wouldn't the Russians be doing everything they could to get independent inspections done on the blast site then?

The fact they haven't speaks volumes.
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How the fk are the Russians going to organise 'independent inspections' in EU waters when they're at war with the West?
 
borolad259 said:
They had zero interest in blowing up Nordstream. Why would they go into Swedish and Danish waters, crawling with NATO to do that when they could blow any part of it up closer to home? And why would they do that when the streams are currently off and mothballed? There are others much more motivated and in a better position t carry that off.
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I thought the whole point of the explosion being a minor catastrophe was because the gas is escaping into the atmosphere. If they're not pumping gas why is there a problem?

There is also the rumours about Gazprom being able to use this as a means to avoid massive fines for undelivered gas. I don't know if that's true though.

zzzzz said:
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How the fk are the Russians going to organise 'independent inspections' in EU waters when they're at war with the West?
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There are plenty of 'neutral' nations that would happily take on the task if they thought it might prove the US did it. Any attempt from NATO to block it would be as big a tell as the Russians not making any attempt to deal with it.

I don't know who did it and we probaby won't ever know with any certainty as conspiracists from either side will just cast doubt on any findings. I can only judge based on reactions and subsequent actions. So far Russia look more highly suspect - especially in light of the OPEC production cuts.
 
I’ve said before on this thread that I’m not wedded to any of the culprits regarding the nordstream explosions. The most convincing arguments I’ve read point to Russia, most of the US stuff comes over as conspiracy so far. One thing that sticks in my mind is that Russia initially bizarrely tried to blame Ukraine (without a navy), if they thought it was the US they would be shouting it from the rooftops as a propaganda coup…
 
Smoggle said:
I’ve said before on this thread that I’m not wedded to any of the culprits regarding the nordstream explosions. The most convincing arguments I’ve read point to Russia, most of the US stuff comes over as conspiracy so far. One thing that sticks in my mind is that Russia initially bizarrely tried to blame Ukraine (without a navy), if they thought it was the US they would be shouting it from the rooftops as a propaganda coup…
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I see zero gain for Russia to blow up their own pipelines. And where they went bang the surrounding countries will know who have vessels in the area and would have conformed that it was Russia by now.
It's not easy blowing a pipeline up (at that point it would be 27.8mm wall thickness) and mines/charges could have been placed at any time since it was laid, it had to be sophisticated ordnance. Possible that a hole/s were drilled first and then the charges intiated.
The offshore section of NS1 was 9Billion Euros and NS2 11Billion. Why would they waste those assets? Makes no sense at all to me, there's no gain politically either.

I worked on NS1 and a mate of mine who also did was approached at the airport by MI5 and asked if he'd be willing to give them info on it so from day one our security services were looking at it and the Amercicans were dead against both pipelines from the off.
They wouldn't have happened without massive backhanders to get the permits and most importantly the full on support of Germany.... they're rueing that now!
 
zzzzz said:
I see zero gain for Russia to blow up their own pipelines. And where they went bang the surrounding countries will know who have vessels in the area and would have conformed that it was Russia by now.
It's not easy blowing a pipeline up (at that point it would be 27.8mm wall thickness) and mines/charges could have been placed at any time since it was laid, it had to be sophisticated ordnance. Possible that a hole/s were drilled first and then the charges intiated.
The offshore section of NS1 was 9Billion Euros and NS2 11Billion. Why would they waste those assets? Makes no sense at all to me, there's no gain politically either.

I worked on NS1 and a mate of mine who also did was approached at the airport by MI5 and asked if he'd be willing to give them info on it so from day one our security services were looking at it and the Amercicans were dead against both pipelines from the off.
They wouldn't have happened without massive backhanders to get the permits and most importantly the full on support of Germany.... they're rueing that now!
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As far as I’ve heard , all apart from one pipe on nord stream 2 has been damaged . Which country is desperate to reopen nord stream 2? Russia
 
borolad259 said:
They had zero interest in blowing up Nordstream. Why would they go into Swedish and Danish waters, crawling with NATO to do that when they could blow any part of it up closer to home?
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I guess the only reasons would be

1. To prove that they could - a demonstration of their capabilities
2. False flag - to blame someone else and provide a pretext for some sort of action in the Baltic
3. To increase economic pressures on Europe by denying them access to Russian gas for the foreseeable

So there are some reasons to do it.
 
zzzzz said:
I see zero gain for Russia to blow up their own pipelines. And where they went bang the surrounding countries will know who have vessels in the area and would have conformed that it was Russia by now.
It's not easy blowing a pipeline up (at that point it would be 27.8mm wall thickness) and mines/charges could have been placed at any time since it was laid, it had to be sophisticated ordnance. Possible that a hole/s were drilled first and then the charges intiated.
The offshore section of NS1 was 9Billion Euros and NS2 11Billion. Why would they waste those assets? Makes no sense at all to me, there's no gain politically either.

I worked on NS1 and a mate of mine who also did was approached at the airport by MI5 and asked if he'd be willing to give them info on it so from day one our security services were looking at it and the Amercicans were dead against both pipelines from the off.
They wouldn't have happened without massive backhanders to get the permits and most importantly the full on support of Germany.... they're rueing that now!
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There’s arguments out there by several people with a decent handle on Russian motivations and capabilities that give a decent account of why Russia might have an interest in sabotaging the pipelines. But it could have been the US, or another actor, we just don’t know and it’s certainly not a hill I’m gonna die on!
 
Boroboyyo said:
As far as I’ve heard , all apart from one pipe on nord stream 2 has been damaged . Which country is desperate to reopen nord stream 2? Russia
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There are approx 200k pipes in the offshore section of the twin NS2 pipelines. How do you blow up that many pipes?
If by damaged you mean from seawater flooding I get that.
Still don't understand why Russia would blow up pipelines they are 'desperate to reopen'
 
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