The end?

Is it just a little worrying that all this could escalate and invoke their protocol of the Russian state being under threat?
 
With the Kadyrov's seemingly stepping aside and letting Ukraine into Russia, is there a possibility that it could be a double bluff and that once Ukraine are settled they try to attack them?

Alternatively, is there a chance Ukraine have taken these steps because they know there are huge amounts of military aid coming ASAP that we perhaps might not know about?
 
WeeGord said:
With the Kadyrov's seemingly stepping aside and letting Ukraine into Russia, is there a possibility that it could be a double bluff and that once Ukraine are settled they try to attack them?

Alternatively, is there a chance Ukraine have taken these steps because they know there are huge amounts of military aid coming ASAP that we perhaps might not know about?
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Unlikely

and

can't say.

Although if you look at the maps currently being produced (on the basis of info from Russia) you'll see a southward trending prong in Kursk and a new incursion in Bilhorod. You can join some dots there and guess what they are up to.
 
borolad259 said:
Unlikely

and

can't say.

Although if you look at the maps currently being produced (on the basis of info from Russia) you'll see a southward trending prong in Kursk and a new incursion in Bilhorod. You can join some dots there and guess what they are up to.
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Creating a buffer zone from the Ukraine border?
 
The large numbers or surrendering troops got us talking.... about why it might be.
1. Most of the troops relocating from other fronts have been bogged down, scarcely advancing, while losing thousands of troops ... and now they find Ukraine is merrily waltzing in occupying Russia with seeming ease. Bad for morale.
2. Moreover, they are coming face to face with a large army that is well motivated, well trained and tooled up with some of the best western gear. Something they have not experienced. Bad for morale.
3. Putin put Bortnikov in charge of the army. Now, that is an FSB boss with no military background, in charge of the army at a time of crisis. And, of course, the army effin hates the FSB. Really really bad for morale.
4. Many times the number that have surrendered have already perished in this offensive...or been very badly injured. Bad for morale.

Surrender, you live. Fight? Not so much.

Anyway, my mate is hopeful that this is somehwat like the last weeks of WW2, when German troops started surrendering in large numbers.

Oh, and Putin seemingly not in Atlal, but busy looking extremely ***ed of in security meeting.
 
some good points, but no conclusions, in this podcast

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In Moscow's Shadows 159: The Kursk Incursion

Episode · In Moscow's Shadows · I had hoped to not have to record a podcast this weekend, but life does enjoy its little pranks. A slightly shorter than usual episode on Ukraine's unexpected, unfolding and unpredictable move into Russia.The Kommersant article I mention is here.The podcast's...
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So, here we are. A major escalation in this war and this is just a drop in the ocean for what Putin has done.
However, surely there is a huge risk that Putin would rather use a tactical nuke on Russian soil than risk a total capitulation.
 
MoggasDog said:
So, here we are. A major escalation in this war and this is just a drop in the ocean for what Putin has done.
However, surely there is a huge risk that Putin would rather use a tactical nuke on Russian soil than risk a total capitulation.
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A tactical nuke on dispersed formations would likely kill as many locals as UA. Also it would draw huge condemnation internationally (nuking your own people is going to a be difficult sell even in Russia) and quite likely draw a retaliatory (though non-nuclear) strike. The EMP would probably not affect the western kit which is generally hardened against that but would take out a lot of domestic electronics and perhaps the Russian tat.
 
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