The end?

johnmfc said:
Quiet in here in regards to updates, did anyone see that poor ukrainian soldier executed by those wagner mercenaries 🥺
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Thankfully I didn't see it but I did read about it. From what I hear he dug his own grave, had a last cigarette than said Glory to Ukraine before they shot him dead.
 
borolad259 said:
Our man is on his hols. Things are going on in the build up of Ukraine's forces and on the other side there seems to be little but dischord and rancour between the army and Wagnerites.
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I wonder if the latter will end up being the fall guys for the atrocities in the event of a negotiated peace.
 
johnmfc said:
Quiet in here in regards to updates, did anyone see that poor ukrainian soldier executed by those wagner mercenaries 🥺
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It is quiet as the Ukrainians wait for the terrain shift in their favour. Got to the point where I’m looking at longer range weather forecasts for Ukraine than worrying about local yellow warnings.

I am concerned about the change in tone regarding Bhakmut shifting from a bit of a fortress/RuZZian killing zone to vital it’s held to protect the open road behind. Could be mind games but an awful lot of Ukrainians dying to protect it.

As for that Video yup unfortunately saw it in full in of all places the Kyiv Independent which usually acts with greater sensitivity, brutal.
 
It looks like the Russian "Spring Offensive" has panned out as a series of failed probing attacks with an increase of meat into the "Grinder" around Bakhmut. The Wagnerites are now complaining that they are not getting enough ammunition but many analysts think that they are getting the same percentage of the supplies as before but 25% of not very much is a lot less than 25% of loads.

Meanwhile the Ukrainians are receiving Leopard 2, Abrams and Challenger tanks along with some further rebuilt T72/80s etc from captured and repaired armour. I think we will find out who holds the upper hand when the Ukrainians decide to make their move. Degrading of Russian logistics is continuing with the increased range of HIMARS and other artillery pushing Russian supply dumps further from the front and targeting of trucks and supply routes.
 
I can understand the wish to expose this awful execution atrocity, to the world, and attempt to force the RF to face up to their actions. I guess they want those countries that are on the fence to be compelled to act against the RF, or at least lessen their support.

but this shouldn't be in the public domain. It's a man being murdered. I won't be watching anything like this - it's enough to know if happened for me.
 
Looks like Putin is tightening his grip on Georgia.

I wonder if the Russian army will be ‘asked’ to come in to keep order.
 
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Mwelolo said:
This conflict will eventually end with some sort of negotiated settlement so the sooner that can be reached the better for everyone.
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The problem is, the settlement Russia want is to effectively absorb some of Ukraine, and that's not better for any Ukranian in those areas. The war carrying on isn't good either of course, but Ukraine may prefer to fight that, than give up, like they have been doing.

China just want it over, and want to pretend to be impartial, and they would happily see Ukraine give up some land to achieve that. Ultimately this isn't being impartial though, it's supporting the aggressor, and the West has had enough of it.

The only settlement should be Russians go back into Russia, China won't try and negotiate that, as it will **** off Russia and they need Russia sort of in their good books, so they have another potential ally against the West.

edit - sorry didn't realise that post was form a couple of weeks ago, but the points are still the same.
 
Andy_W said:
The problem is, the settlement Russia want is to effectively absorb some of Ukraine, and that's not better for any Ukranian in those areas. The war carrying on isn't good either of course, but Ukraine may prefer to fight that, than give up, like they have been doing.

China just want it over, and want to pretend to be impartial, and they would happily see Ukraine give up some land to achieve that. Ultimately this isn't being impartial though, it's supporting the aggressor, and the West has had enough of it.

The only settlement should be Russians go back into Russia, China won't try and negotiate that, as it will **** off Russia and they need Russia sort of in their good books, so they have another potential ally against the West.

edit - sorry didn't realise that post was form a couple of weeks ago, but the points are still the same.
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China needs Russia and Russia needs China for the 'Arctic Silk Road'.


See the Russians have used hypersonic missiles yesterday. That's cranking things up a bit as they aren't cheap.
 
Randy said:
China needs Russia and Russia needs China for the 'Arctic Silk Road'.


See the Russians have used hypersonic missiles yesterday. That's cranking things up a bit as they aren't cheap.
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Apparently they fired off half a dozen or so, an abs fortune spent to gain not one inch of land. I can only assume it was sent as a warning to the west.
 
Andy_W said:
The problem is, the settlement Russia want is to effectively absorb some of Ukraine, and that's not better for any Ukranian in those areas. The war carrying on isn't good either of course, but Ukraine may prefer to fight that, than give up, like they have been doing.

China just want it over, and want to pretend to be impartial, and they would happily see Ukraine give up some land to achieve that. Ultimately this isn't being impartial though, it's supporting the aggressor, and the West has had enough of it.

The only settlement should be Russians go back into Russia, China won't try and negotiate that, as it will **** off Russia and they need Russia sort of in their good books, so they have another potential ally against the West.

edit - sorry didn't realise that post was form a couple of weeks ago, but the points are still the same.
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I don’t disagree with any of that but I think it will end with some sort of negotiated settlement.

I think either party would possibly change their position if they became significantly weakened by the ongoing conflict.

The external will to support the conflict will not go on forever, our armed forces are already being compromised, never mind the economic impact. This may place some pressure on Ukraine, they couldn’t continue without western support.

The other scenario is that the whole thing escalates and we all get nuked but I’d rather not entertain that unlikely outcome.

It’s all speculation.
 
Mwelolo said:
I don’t disagree with any of that but I think it will end with some sort of negotiated settlement.

I think either party would possibly change their position if they became significantly weakened by the ongoing conflict.

The external will to support the conflict will not go on forever, our armed forces are already being compromised, never mind the economic impact. This may place some pressure on Ukraine, they couldn’t continue without western support.

The other scenario is that the whole thing escalates and we all get nuked but I’d rather not entertain that unlikely outcome.

It’s all speculation.
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I think the negotiation should be: "You leave, and we won't shoot you in the back on the way out"

At best Ukraine might let them have Crimea, but in my very amateur position, they really shouldn't do that.

Even if Ukraine did give them more, they would still get support from the likes of us, and Russia's sanctions would probably only get worse.

As soon as Ukraine get all this gear and trained up on it, and if they keep being supported more and more then I don't see how Russia could end up with any more than what they started this with a year ago.

Sure, external support for Ukraine won't go on forever, but the likes of USA, UK, EU etc will see the expenditure as basically paying to weaken Russia, without risking our own troops and infrastructure etc. The weaker they become, the less likely they would be to try this crap again, you would think.

Putin's backers don't want to die, and don't want the world decimated, just as much as we don't, so I can't see the nuclear thing happening. Sure Putin might want to press the big red button eventually, but it ultimately would end in his death also. I'm not even sure if he could do that without some additional backing, bt who would back that?
 
Randy said:
Thinking the same too. Air defence struggles against them.
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Saw analysis on Sky News from some ex General or other interpreting their use as "desperation" and a sign that the Ukrainian Air Defences are getting so good that they are forced to target "soft" targets like infrastructure rather than better protected military targets and that their stocks of more run of the mill ordnance like cruise missiles is almost exhausted. Also that they only succeeded in a temporary interruption to power supplies and a few civilian deaths.
 
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