The difference in our club

The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I'm not talking about the OP, I'm talking about the board in general - as late as last October fingers were been pointed at Scott and as I keep saying we were told the club was "rotten to the core".
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We knew something wasn’t quite right at the club back then, given how we’d performed for a period in the previous season vs. Our start to the new one.

Thankfully the rot was removed by Gibbo and things changed very quickly afterwards.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
I'm not talking about the OP, I'm talking about the board in general - as late as last October fingers were been pointed at Scott and as I keep saying we were told the club was "rotten to the core".
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I think we actually agree 😂

I have no idea who has said the club is rotten to the core - but the start of last season was not great, rotten to the core is panic stations, however there was an area of the club that was stale and wasnt working, that was the management.

You could see Wilder and Scott were not on the same page, so it was never going to produce the desired outcome!

Scott and the club needed a like minded manager to implement the transfer strategy - we got one and now everything looks much rosier.

So the club were technically to blame for trying to get a manager like wilder to implement a Scott style transfer approach. Square pegs and all that
 
I think the players we seem to be targeting are in demand young players, but I assume our selling point is they will get opportunities to impress with minutes on the pitch. We can't compete financially with the big clubs, we can't compete location wise with the big city clubs so we had to find a niche which we can compete with and that is the chance of first team football and the opportunity for these players to develop. In recent windows 2 players have got Premier Moves so if a player impresses we obviously won't stand in the way of moving to a Premier club(obviously if the money is right).
 
If only fans would let their respective club go about their business without clamouring for news, updates, photographs, videos, transfer news etc.

A lot of fans these days won't happy until their club has a tv channel the equivalent of Sky News with constant 24/7 scrolling updates and gossip.

In big letters scrolling across the screen....

PLAYER XYZ NOT SPOTTED AT AIRPORT WITH THE TEAM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, WHO WILL REPLACE HIM?
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Exactly my point, as soon as anything goes wrong fingers will be pointed at the usual suspects - it was Lamb for a long while (despite the relative success) and then Bausor (whose name seems to crop up less and less on this board these days interestingly enough).
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I think Lamb was still getting pelters from our "fans" a few years after Bausor took over........🙄

The success on the pitch for the first team helps to attract better players; and as a player with no links to Boro who would you rather play for - Wilder, with a team headed for League 1 who would happily chuck you under the bus if you made a mistake or Carrick, calm manager playing great football, heading (hopefully) to the PL?

No chance we would have got Ramsey or Archer if Wilder was still here.....and I'm hoping with Carrick and Danks they have more/better contacts in the game than Wilder and will be able to attract better young players.

It was always going to take 2-3 transfer windows for Scott and his team to start showing what they can do .....and as the OP pointed out we're in a much better place now. A clear transfer philosophy is in place, and I like it.

We have quite a few of our fans who are thicker than a whale omelette, best to just ignore them.
 
This one of those threads where everyone has an opinion that is totally unsubstantiated because none of us are even remotely close to the decision making process.

It’s been a mixed couple of years but there was two major friction points as I see it (caveated heavily by this being exactly what I said above):

Warnock - not built in the model we wanted to go for. Had a short term need which meant inconsistent signing policy for quick gains. Ultimates got us out of trouble. But def not Scott signings (other than a few examples that Warnock openly rubbished to the press)

Wilder - I don’t think anyone will know what happened here other than it seems like he was all for the coach model until he was found out.

Scott is is still early on the project. It takes years to turn an organisation like a football club around. Just look how long major transfer policy changes took to work at Brentford, Brighton. The big pressure is being able to deliver this model and change while also keeping performance levels up in the meantime. This season will be a big barometer. But it feels like a coach like Carrick is perfect for what we are trying to do.

We also need to have some perspective. We are a shoestring budget compared to other clubs. In the last 15-20 years we have probably punched way above our weight. We have not fallen victim to double relegation like others. We need a model that is long term to survive and thrive. Credit to Gibson and Scott for identifying that this is needed. But it will mean bumps along the way.
 
Some people had a negative opinion and rightly so the club at that point was disjointed and languishing in the league.

The relationship between Wilder and Scott specifically was rotten to the core. I think Scotts press conference highlighted that. At that point Scotts input at the club seemed irrelevent and pointless as the manager didn't want him or his ideas and wanted his own signings.

Fair play to Gibson for realising this. We now have a manager, head of football and the whole club is pulling in the same direction and we now seem to have a plan... Hopefully these signings pay off and we get some success from it.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Not having a go at the OP, but it's interesting how the view on Scott and MFC has changed since we started winning games.

Not too long ago the experts on here said club was "rotten to the core" and Scott was "a waste of time" and had "delivered nothing we didn't have before"
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Proof that football is all about results and nothing else, and it’s all about the here and now for most fans.
 
Similar to 'team spirit', whether your club is deemed to be 'well run' is always viewed through the prism of results on the pitch (although I admit the two are linked). At the moment, all we've done is target 'promising' players (and so far bring only 1 in, although more look likely). They are completely unproven though so if they don't perform 9which is certainly possible) then I'm sure the knives will be out. It's a results business.
 
Give it a few years until we see if it’s actually a success, remember the mess the club was in 9 months ago. Think it’s Carrick who has turned things around and not the recruitment team. Optimistic about the type of signings we are linked with so far this window however
 
I think in comparison to other fans, our extremes of praise followed by disappointment and criticism then back to praise again is much more balanced, and it doesn't linger long. Just pop on the mackem board after they've lost a couple on the bounce or went a handful of games without a win and you'll see the vitriol aimed towards their players, manager, and owners is shameful in comparison. They even turn on each other and occasionally blame their own 'fans' for how poorly their team is playing or how bad their club is being ran. They'll win their next game and they're back to being the greatest team in the division and best fans in the land again.

Call it passion, or delusion, but they're literally in another league compared to Boro fans when it comes to this kind of thing.

So yes, the criticism-praise-criticism thing runs across all fans and all teams. We're no different, but by some margin we're certainly not the worst at it.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Not having a go at the OP, but it's interesting how the view on Scott and MFC has changed since we started winning games.

Not too long ago the experts on here said club was "rotten to the core" and Scott was "a waste of time" and had "delivered nothing we didn't have before"
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I think when you have someone like Scott you need a manager who is happy to work with the recruitment team and let them do their thing. Warnock was too old school and liked to sign his own players. Wilder was appointed by Scott and stated early on that he was happy to work with the recruitment team as it was the modern way however as time went on it became clear that he also had different ideas when it came to signings. He wanted the likes of McGoldrick and Gayle whereas Scott was looking for younger, talented players with potential. Forss being a good example. The minute Wilder labelled him a 'development player' it was clear it just wasn't working.

Carrick comes in and everything just seemed to click. It's no surprise that since he's been here the signings have been excellent and long may it continue. I'm sure they won't all work out but it seems like we're finally on the right path now we have the right manager in place.
 
18MFC76 said:
I think when you have someone like Scott you need a manager who is happy to work with the recruitment team and let them do their thing. Warnock was too old school and liked to sign his own players. Wilder was appointed by Scott and stated early on that he was happy to work with the recruitment team as it was the modern way however as time went on it became clear that he also had different ideas when it came to signings. He wanted the likes of McGoldrick and Gayle whereas Scott was looking for younger, talented players with potential. Forss being a good example. The minute Wilder labelled him a 'development player' it was clear it just wasn't working.

Carrick comes in and everything just seemed to click. It's no surprise that since he's been here the signings have been excellent and long may it continue. I'm sure they won't all work out but it seems like we're finally on the right path now we have the right manager in place.
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So the club wasn't "rotten to the core" and Scott had a plan, and all we had to do was swap one key resource for it to all click then ? Not quite what the experts on here told us......
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Not having a go at the OP, but it's interesting how the view on Scott and MFC has changed since we started winning games.

Not too long ago the experts on here said club was "rotten to the core" and Scott was "a waste of time" and had "delivered nothing we didn't have before"
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Not sure that's true.

The way we used to do business was rudimentary to say the least and predominantly relied upon the manager identifying a player, or one who was relatively well known.

The scouting department played some part of course, but it never felt like there was a cohesive plan and never entirely joined up.

Under Pulis and Warnock this was the most evident and so far removed from the current structure it's easy to see the change.

Whether signings work out is another matter, but this model is sustainable, not just financially, but when a new head coach comes in after Carrick.
 
MichaelDebeve said:
So the club were technically to blame for trying to get a manager like wilder to implement a Scott style transfer approach. Square pegs and all that
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I think without being in the initial wilder-Bauser-gibson meetings then it’s impossible to tell who is ‘to blame’. Wilder could easily have accepted that strategy at the time and then reneged on the idea. What is clear and obvious with hindsight is that wilder was a poor fit for us
 
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