"The Brexit Effect: How leaving the EU hit the UK." Financial Times. [V-28:24]

exeterboro said:
I know but it's easier to say swiss deal or some kind of swiss multi trade deal. Considering we are getting rid of lots of laws that have an EU influence by a stopwatch method basically, it be interesting to see if these can be stopped by the various ministers and slightly altered.
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The scrapping laws initiated by the EU is mainly cloud cuckoo land as well. A massive proportion of them are directly derived from international standards or agreements stemming from international treaties we're going to have to follow still.
 
indeedido said:
The really great thing is we all got a vote. Our chance to express our choice, for our reasons.
I have watched the transformation from a Common Market I would be happy to support, into the EU with its far broader purpose, remit, identity, control and ambitions.
I didn't and don't want that complete integration to continue.
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The really great thing is we all got a vote.--
No we didn't-
Brits people who lived in the EU or other countries did not get a vote.
EU nationals living in this country did not get a vote.
And the people who will have to live with this decision did not get a vote- the under 18's
No way was that a democratic vote
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
The scrapping laws initiated by the EU is mainly cloud cuckoo land as well. A massive proportion of them are directly derived from international standards or agreements stemming from international treaties we're going to have to follow still.
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The irony of course being we have to abide by ALL EU trade laws when it comes to dealing with the EU as part of the trade agreement, otherwise it comes under WTO rules
 
Trug said:
The really great thing is we all got a vote.--
No we didn't-
Brits people who lived in the EU or other countries did not get a vote.
EU nationals living in this country did not get a vote.
And the people who will have to live with this decision did not get a vote- the under 18's
No way was that a democratic vote
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EU nationals are not British, why should they have got a vote.
Under 18's do not get a vote in GE's either; consistent.
 
indeedido said:
EU nationals are not British, why should they have got a vote.
Under 18's do not get a vote in GE's either; consistent.
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EU nationals had a right to vote in British Elections.

Local Voting Rights for EU Citizens Living in the UK

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
Over 16's are allowed to vote in any election in Wales and Scotland- however while
16 and 17 year olds have been granted the vote in all Scottish elections. - on the same day they were refused the vote in the EU referendum.
 
indeedido said:
I simply did not want to be sucked into an ever concentrated and centralised Europe I simply don't identify with.
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Even this reason you give is flawed. Every country in Europe has large sections, probably majorities that have this concern. It is why much of the discussion in the European Parliament in particular is to avoid this, how to have a more federal Europe where there is genuine levelling up and regions have more say without some countries being dominated by a capital city that accrues power and wealth like London does. We could learn a thing or two from Germany. One thing is for sure, we ain't influencing the direction now.

It is a legitimate concern, but fancy ignoring the economic cost for this.
 
At the moment, we seem to be doubling down on that decision rather than trying to make the best of it. It seems like a lot of the leavers are happy to say 'nothing to do with me now', you lot get on with it. It seems it will only take a change of government for things to change, but I have little confidence in labour finding a good solution.
 
m3t4tr0n said:
It's borderline criminal how the (and I'm generalising I know) the old screwed the young. 16 year olds had way more skin in this game than, for example, 60+ year olds.
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If people haven't realised already they will shortly find out how irrelevant a medium size nation state is in an era of continent size economic blocs. Economically and militarily irrelevant with a vestige of cultural significance, but that's about it.
 
MVBoro said:
At the moment, we seem to be doubling down on that decision rather than trying to make the best of it. It seems like a lot of the leavers are happy to say 'nothing to do with me now', you lot get on with it. It seems it will only take a change of government for things to change, but I have little confidence in labour finding a good solution.
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It's never the Brexit leavers voted for, it's absolutely the Brexit remainers voted against.

Sadly I agree WRT the labour government ☹️
 
Some of my relatives are EU Nationals and they were able to vote in the Referendum as they were permanent residents and tax payers in the UK. - where has the information come from they could not vote in 2016?

If people want to rejoin the EU why don't they persudae the main political parties to make it a major policy, and if they ignore them form their own political party say UK(in)EU Party. Come the next General Election probably in 2024 or 2025 they should do well, if the people in the video are right with their predictions of major economic decline in relative terms.
 
Redwurzel said:
Some of my relatives are EU Nationals and they were able to vote in the Referendum as they were permanent residents and tax payers in the UK. - where has the information come from they could not vote in 2016?
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You answered your own question. Many EU nationals were not UK residents either through choice or lack of qualification so therefore were not entitled to vote.
 
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