"The Brexit Effect: How leaving the EU hit the UK." Financial Times. [V-28:24]

exeterboro said:
There isnt a specific one in the public domain but the outlines of one have been mentioned such as the Swiss deal, it needs people to speak up for it, this is coming soon after the Macron and Sunak meeting so you can say it is likely that something ( Swiss deal ) has been discussed
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The Swiss deal isn't a single deal it's 120+ separate bilateral agreements all bundled together in a long running fudge arrangement which both parties don't actually like. The Swiss deal just talked about in our media was a single one of the 120+ agreements.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
The Swiss deal isn't a single deal it's 120+ separate bilateral agreements all bundled together in a long running fudge arrangement which both parties don't actually like. The Swiss deal just talked about in our media was a single one of the 120+ agreements.
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I know but it's easier to say swiss deal or some kind of swiss multi trade deal. Considering we are getting rid of lots of laws that have an EU influence by a stopwatch method basically, it be interesting to see if these can be stopped by the various ministers and slightly altered.
 
indeedido said:
Thanks for posting and an interesting if unsurprising watch, from an economic perspective.

The Brexit we have is not what I voted for, nor I suspect the majority of Leave voters. As an economics graduate who focused on economic integration, I fully understood there was never an economic argument for leaving.
The "slow puncture" referred to in the video was always going to slow us down and frankly could have been much worse, but tyres can be repaired or replaced.
This country will return to the SM and CU, be tied economically, but not rejoin the EU.
And many will then have got what they actually voted for.
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So if there was never an economic argument for voting, then what possible reason did you vote for it?

What model of Brexit was made available to you personally that wasn't available to anybody else, because there was no clear brexit plan, so why did you vote to go into
the complete unknown with no actually tangible benefits about from fantasies about unicorns and sunny uplands?

To lose the right to freely access 27 other countries? - what a burden that was

Apart from less foreigners (even though we actually have more immigrants now just none of them are from the EU) and evil EU laws
that nobody in 6 years has managed to name a single one, what was the reason?
 
Gunslinger said:
So if there was never an economic argument for voting, then what possible reason did you vote for it?

What model of Brexit was made available to you personally that wasn't available to anybody else, because there was no clear brexit plan, so why did you vote to go into
the complete unknown with no actually tangible benefits about from fantasies about unicorns and sunny uplands?

To lose the right to freely access 27 other countries? - what a burden that was

Apart from less foreigners (even though we actually have more immigrants now just none of them are from the EU) and evil EU laws
that nobody in 6 years has managed to name a single one, what was the reason?
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you'll wait a long time for an answer....
 
Gunslinger said:
So if there was never an economic argument for voting, then what possible reason did you vote for it?

What model of Brexit was made available to you personally that wasn't available to anybody else, because there was no clear brexit plan, so why did you vote to go into
the complete unknown with no actually tangible benefits about from fantasies about unicorns and sunny uplands?

To lose the right to freely access 27 other countries? - what a burden that was

Apart from less foreigners (even though we actually have more immigrants now just none of them are from the EU) and evil EU laws
that nobody in 6 years has managed to name a single one, what was the reason?
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Listen, I've been through this loads of times with lots of other posters, for years.
In short I fiercely objected to the one way journey through Maastricht and Lisbon towards a United States of Europe.
There are so many reasons why different people voted to leave.
For me it was never about immigration, never about a mis-guided economic opportunity, never about chasing past glories.
I simply did not want to be sucked into an ever concentrated and centralised Europe I simply don't identify with. Not everything has to be economically driven.
 
indeedido said:
Listen, I've been through this loads of times with lots of other posters, for years.
In short I fiercely objected to the one way journey through Maastricht and Lisbon towards a United States of Europe.
There are so many reasons why different people voted to leave.
For me it was never about immigration, never about a mis-guided economic opportunity, never about chasing past glories.
I simply did not want to be sucked into an ever concentrated and centralised Europe I simply don't identify with. Not everything has to be economically driven.
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Why anybody would trash the country they live in economically for fear of some completely unfounded hypothesis over a fantasy superstate is beyond me

The countries which now make up the European Union have vastly different cultures, outputs, and domestic political and economic situations, it could
never have been a concentrated and centralised state, that is just pure fantasy and not an answer any rational individual could accept in intelligent discourse

I think i would have prefered it it you pulled some obscure law about the thickness of bin bags out instead of attempting to get away with that as an answer
 
Gunslinger said:
Why anybody would trash the country they live in economically for fear of some completely unfounded hypothesis over a fantasy superstate is beyond me

The countries which now make up the European Union have vastly different cultures, outputs, and domestic political and economic situations, it could
never have been a concentrated and centralised state, that is just pure fantasy and not an answer any rational individual could accept in intelligent discourse

I think i would have prefered it it you pulled some obscure law about the thickness of bin bags out instead of attempting to get away with that as an answer
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I gave you the courtesy of an answer.
You now seem to confuse me with somebody who gives a flying **** about whether you deem my reasons for voting leave are allowable.
 
Gunslinger said:
Why anybody would trash the country they live in economically for fear of some completely unfounded hypothesis over a fantasy superstate is beyond me

The countries which now make up the European Union have vastly different cultures, outputs, and domestic political and economic situations, it could
never have been a concentrated and centralised state, that is just pure fantasy and not an answer any rational individual could accept in intelligent discourse

I think i would have prefered it it you pulled some obscure law about the thickness of bin bags out instead of attempting to get away with that as an answer
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what is infuriating and still really ***** me off to be honest, is that people who voted knowing full well it was a massive risk economically, but did so out of some irrational fear over "identity" or other nebulous nonsense reason, also knowingly and intentionally enforced that gamble or "price worth paying" on everybody else.

At best it was incredibly arrogant that they knew best, better than the vast majority of experts. At worst it was incredibly selfish.

the end result is the same. We're all suffering now regardless.
 
Tory MP Julian Knight, chair of the culture select committee, brands the Festival of Brexit a “colossal waste of money” as the National Audit Office investigates what has been described as “irresponsible use of public money”

How very apt.
 
indeedido said:
I gave you the courtesy of an answer.
You now seem to confuse me with somebody who gives a flying **** about whether you deem my reasons for voting leave are allowable.
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No, i know you don't care.......it was purely a choice you made for yourself - screw eveybody else

Not sure who uses worse reasoning when explaining away the fantasy world they both live in , Brexiteers or flat earthers
Lefty said:
Not everything has to be economically driven that is true, but other than, perhaps, who you choose to marry, can you name ANY decision where economics isn't a consideration?
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The ability to freely access 27 other countries and making the UK passport weaker than an irish passport usurrps for me any economic downside of brexit
 
What's equally crazy is that if/when we eventually re-join the EU/single market, it will be on much worse terms than we had before (losing Maggie's hard won veto, budget contributions, etc.). It's been a massive own goal voted primarily by many people who are above 50 and retired and whom eventually will die off. Rather than the future of the country who increasingly will have to live with the consequences of the decision. We've already had a decade of stagnation. If we have another self-inflicted one, it will be a real blow for our country.
 
MVBoro said:
What's equally crazy is that if/when we eventually re-join the EU/single market, it will be on much worse terms than we had before (losing Maggie's hard won veto, budget contributions, etc.). It's been a massive own goal voted primarily by many people who are above 50 and retired and whom eventually will die off. Rather than the future of the country who increasingly will have to live with the consequences of the decision. We've already had a decade of stagnation. If we have another self-inflicted one, it will be a real blow for our country.
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We would definately lose the pound for a start - the adaptation of the EURO would be mandated - 100%

We will never get it as good as we had it before - that's what people don't get, it's not like cancelling a gym membership and just signing back up again a few month later
 
festa5 said:
what is infuriating and still really ***** me off to be honest, is that people who voted knowing full well it was a massive risk economically, but did so out of some irrational fear over "identity" or other nebulous nonsense reason, also knowingly and intentionally enforced that gamble or "price worth paying" on everybody else.

At best it was incredibly arrogant that they knew best, better than the vast majority of experts. At worst it was incredibly selfish.

the end result is the same. We're all suffering now regardless.
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The really great thing is we all got a vote. Our chance to express our choice, for our reasons.
I have watched the transformation from a Common Market I would be happy to support, into the EU with its far broader purpose, remit, identity, control and ambitions.
I didn't and don't want that complete integration to continue.
 
indeedido said:
The really great thing is we all got a vote. Our chance to express our choice, for our reasons.
I have watched the transformation from a Common Market I would be happy to support, into the EU with its far broader purpose, remit, identity, control and ambitions.
I didn't and don't want that complete integration to continue.
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We did not ALL get a vote. Neither my wife nor myself got votes as we were outside the country. Under no circumstances would we have voted for Brexit.
 
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