Sunak squirming on those with second homes

2nd is fine obviously, but if you're getting over 10 you could be considered to be a bit of a knob..............
 
He's not as clever a politician as he thinks he is, clearly.

It must be really obvious that the multi-house owner issue would be something from the very start of this.

He could've just lied and said that the majority of that money was so landlords didn't need to put up rents for their tenants.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
He's not as clever a politician as he thinks he is, clearly.

It must be really obvious that the multi-house owner issue would be something from the very start of this.

He could've just lied and said that the majority of that money was so landlords didn't need to put up rents for their tenants.
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what? Surely it goes to the person who lives there (tennant). not the home owner?
 
clublandrefugee said:
what? Surely it goes to the person who lives there (tennant). not the home owner?
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Yes it does. But I think the problem is with people like Rishi who have 2-3 homes that aren't rented out. If you have a 2nd home for personal use you don't need £800 from the Government to pay for your energy bills.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Yes it does. But I think the problem is with people like Rishi who have 2-3 homes that aren't rented out. If you have a 2nd home for personal use you don't need £800 from the Government to pay for your energy bills.
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He doesn't need it because he'll claim expenses for it anyway. Either way the rising prices don't affect people like him.
 
Nano said:
He doesn't need it because he'll claim expenses for it anyway. Either way the rising prices don't affect people like him.
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That's the problem, he'll get it automatically. But he's giving it to Charity. Which charity we'll never know - probably some private school with a dodgy charitable status.
 
He came across more as smarmy than squirmy to me. Either way.....

I do imagine that means testing this kind of universal support would cost more to implement than just giving it but does anybody have why idea how much more at all?
 
I can understand that it may require some paperwork or work, to figure out who has multiple accounts, and a lesser need for these payments, but surely it's got to be worth it to save a billion quid?

I doubt it would be that much though, as the super landlords won't be getting these payments, the tenants will, and it's quite important that they do, as they will probably need it more than actual homeowners would?

So suppose the main point in this is only for those who have multiple houses, who don't rent them out, can't be that many of those surely? That may not be worth the paperwork? No doubt they're paying council tax for multiple houses, despite them not being lived in for most of the year, to sort of off set this?

Means testing every household would be better, but that would cost an absolute fortune to implement, probably more than the payments out actually are.

Giving the money to charity is not the best idea either (not the charity of their choosing at least, anyway), it should go back in the taxpayer pot, and used to support those who we already know who need it most.
 
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Rishi Sunak is more than happy for those that don't need help to receive it, he would rather let that happen then put in any form of mechanism to ensure tax payers money is spent wisely.

If it then gets exploited he'll just write it off like the £billions in Covid fraud. He's absolutely the most incompetent Chancellor we've ever had and is what happens when one tries to be popular.
 
Cons spent fecking years forcing through Universal credit, yet as its run by the DWP the Treasury is loathe to use it for any situation apart from basic Universal Credit level uplifts and downlifts (couldnt think of another word)

The squirming embarrassment of a multimillionaire unable to fully understand the difference between Universal and that the country was fully behind ensuring this payment was actually targeted to those that needed it most or even worse he knew what he was doing and and was helping out his property owning buddies and tossing them a further tranche of public money into private wallets as loose change. I dont know which is worse.
 
I am no fan of sunaks but if the mechanism isn't there to sort the needy from others then it isn't the cost to implement this but the time it may take to implement. Government software programs run into years not months.

No one would be happy delaying payments until next year.
 
Laughing said:
I am no fan of sunaks but if the mechanism isn't there to sort the needy from others then it isn't the cost to implement this but the time it may take to implement. Government software programs run into years not months.

No one would be happy delaying payments until next year.
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Agreed but HMRC takes seconds to take money off people when they've claimed too much. I'm sure it wouldn't be beyond them to have a system online where above a certain salary/income the payment is reclaimed.
 
Huddboro said:
Agreed but HMRC takes seconds to take money off people when they've claimed too much. I'm sure it wouldn't be beyond them to have a system online where above a certain salary/income the payment is reclaimed.
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That might be a working solution. So long s everybody was made aware that it could be reclaimed in next years tax bill and under what circumstances.
 
Huddboro said:
Agreed but HMRC takes seconds to take money off people when they've claimed too much. I'm sure it wouldn't be beyond them to have a system online where above a certain salary/income the payment is reclaimed.
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Income isn't the same as wealth so the wealthy with several houses but no jobs might still be eligible.

I think universal is the way to go. It's always better when someone gets something they don't need than when someone who doesn't get something that they do need so it's just a cost of the system.

Nobody is really getting anything anyway. They are raising the price cap by £800 and giving us £400. We're all still getting a price rise of £800. It's the energy companies getting the other £400. A lot of people, especially people with big houses, will have their bills rise by more than £800 so will be paying more anyway.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
He and his wife are worth in the region of £730 MILLION.

How the **** do we get to a situation where ordinary people believe he’s best placed to represent them and dictate their lives, in financial terms? It’s just mental.
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What are his true motives for being in politics when he's worth that much?

To help people?
 
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