Stonemasons at the Riverside

It should be George Camsell, I could see the Clough statue being moved the where it will be seen by thousands of football fans and appreciated a lot more.

Someone said it was a popular figure.. no more popular than Juninho.

If there was one man worth of a statue while he was still alive then Juninho might be that man. An unveiling with Juninho and Rodrigo Muniz would be cool!
 
Aside from Camsell, who’s a given, it has to be a statue of Gareth lifting the cup, one of Bruce and Gibbo unlocking the gates and one of Jack collecting the tracksuits. And one of Mogga in a rocket. Job done.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
What did he win with the 200 goals?

Derby and Forest is the teams he won things for, leave the statues to them.
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We're not a club that wins stuff, why would that be our criteria for who we celebrate? 🤷‍♂️ By that logic there's only a handful of clubs in the country that are allowed to have heroes!

Norman_Conquest said:
I am not saying I am right, I just feel it should be left at Albert Park.
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I do agree that the Clough statue should stay in the park but for a different reason - it's a totally different size and pose to the two outside the Riverside. Think it'd look bizarre alongside Wilf and George.
 
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VestasBoro said:
We could have a little heroes row with statues on either side.
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Like this idea very much! I think I may even have suggested similar on old threads.

Camsell, Juninho, Maddren, Hickton... it could look very dramatic!

I'll nominate Jackie Carr, who my great grandad claimed to be Boro's best ever player, trumping even Mannion in his opinion.
 
Went and had a look last night.

New plinths for George and Wilf look smart as with England badges and Boro badges on. You can see they aren't finished but they're smart in the materials used, plus they've done another plinth thats all covered up next to Wilf towards the fan bar.

I'd love us to have 5/6 on each side leading up to the Ayresome gates would be a real focal point. They must have thought of it, and it must be a costing issue, because i don't see a down side. Could have fans vote for next statue?

Mannion, Hardwick, Camsell, Juninho, Williamson, Slaven, Cooper, Mowbray, Craggs, Maddren, Hickton, Schwarzer - that sort of thing i think would look class. We would all disagree on who was deserving, but it would create a real historic piece and something the kids could all remember important players from the clubs past and they should leave empty plinths and have a plaque with 'This could be you' for all aspiring kids playing youth football now! (y)
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Can you please tell me what criteria I need to meet to have an opinion on this board, who sets the criteria and does it go in front of panel?
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I have said that i fully respect cough record as a boro player but sadly despite what others say or think the reality is that he has little to no time for this club.

In the rare time that He came to see us play it was to give Kevin Phillips his shirt.

He even supported Leicester in the cup final as he was a midlands man apparently.

We need a statue for camsell.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Can you please tell me what criteria I need to meet to have an opinion on this board, who sets the criteria and does it go in front of panel?
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Strange reaction.
Nobody is saying you can't or shouldn't express an opinion.
You seem to have a problem me reacting to one of your opinions, that you kept on re-stating.
I have no problem you having an opinion on Clough, statues, or whether you think I post absolute rubbish all the time.
But don't throw a strop if I react to you if you irritate me in the way I seem to irritate you.

Older members of my family who saw Mannion play and all the notable figures thereafter are adamant that Clough is easily their favourite ever player and best striker to play for the club. They both still go as season ticket holders. He is the player I wish I had seen most and would have been an absolute hero now.
To have you making out he has no relevance and his achievements were all elsewhere shows complete ignorance.
The vast majority of his considerable playing achievements were at Middlesbrough FC, he scored goals at the fastest rate ever and only two men have scored more goals for us in far more games.
Camsell deserves his legendary status and a statue, but like Mannion and Hardwick he never played at The Riverside.
Clough's statue should sit with the other Boro legends, not behind fencing.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
No more than Robbie Mustoe and no one is shouting to have one built of him. What about Slaven, he scored more important goals than Clough.

I’m 61 this year and liked Cloughy’s outspoken mannerisms and think he should have been given the England managers job., but no way should a statute be built or added to the Riverside of him. Many more worthy players before him.
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While not in agreement, as my old fella brought me up on tales of Cloughie scoring 4 while Peter Taylor let in 5, this thread seems to have got unnecessarily confrontational! We all have our own favourites ....... doesn't seem much support for my suggestion for Steve Mclaren either :)
 
Jedi boro said:
I have said that i fully respect cough record as a boro player but sadly despite what others say or think the reality is that he has little to no time for this club.

In the rare time that He came to see us play it was to give Kevin Phillips his shirt.

He even supported Leicester in the cup final as he was a midlands man apparently.

We need a statue for camsell.
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Did he really support Leicester in the Cup Final? I remember him being interviewed shortly after he retired and saying if he went to a match it would be at Ayresome Park as he was a Middlesbrough man. From the little I know he fell out with the club hierarchy at the time he played for us (as did Mannion incidently), but was always a Boro man. Football owners in the 40s and 50s were strange creatures, who had little respect for players, who they saw has hired hands. It was only really in the 90s that clubs, with the exception of Arsenal started to honour previous greats, look at stories of Bobby Moore having to pay to watch West Ham in the 80s
 
indeedido said:
Strange reaction.
Nobody is saying you can't or shouldn't express an opinion.
You seem to have a problem me reacting to one of your opinions, that you kept on re-stating.
I have no problem you having an opinion on Clough, statues, or whether you think I post absolute rubbish all the time.
But don't throw a strop if I react to you if you irritate me in the way I seem to irritate you.

Older members of my family who saw Mannion play and all the notable figures thereafter are adamant that Clough is easily their favourite ever player and best striker to play for the club. They both still go as season ticket holders. He is the player I wish I had seen most and would have been an absolute hero now.
To have you making out he has no relevance and his achievements were all elsewhere shows complete ignorance.
The vast majority of his considerable playing achievements were at Middlesbrough FC, he scored goals at the fastest rate ever and only two men have scored more goals for us in far more games.
Camsell deserves his legendary status and a statue, but like Mannion and Hardwick he never played at The Riverside.
Clough's statue should sit with the other Boro legends, not behind fencing.
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You called me a t w a t and it is me who is throwing a strop!

You’ve told me to stop posting rubbish and that I couldn’t talk more sh1te if I tried (words to that affect).

All that just because I don’t agree with your opinion of erecting a statue of Clough at the Riverside.

I do agree that it is a crying shame that his statue is behind temporary fencing and that needs sorting sooner rather than later.

Many on here have stated why Clough’s statue shouldn’t be at the Riverside but you seem to have singled me out for your barbed attack’s. Is there a reason for that, can I help you to move on?
 
Otto42 said:
Did he really support Leicester in the Cup Final? I remember him being interviewed shortly after he retired and saying if he went to a match it would be at Ayresome Park as he was a Middlesbrough man. From the little I know he fell out with the club hierarchy at the time he played for us (as did Mannion incidently), but was always a Boro man. Football owners in the 40s and 50s were strange creatures, who had little respect for players, who they saw has hired hands. It was only really in the 90s that clubs, with the exception of Arsenal started to honour previous greats, look at stories of Bobby Moore having to pay to watch West Ham in the 80s
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Yes he was there to support Martin O’Neil as midlands man.

This was his home towns first major final ever in our history.

He was also interviewed on Tyne tees news and he said his biggest regret in football that he never got the chance to manage that great football club and those wonderful people of his beloved…. Sunderland.

He had no time for us.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
You called me a t w a t and it is me who is throwing a strop!

You’ve told me to stop posting rubbish and that I couldn’t talk more sh1te if I tried (words to that affect).

All that just because I don’t agree with your opinion of erecting a statue of Clough at the Riverside.

I do agree that it is a crying shame that his statue is behind temporary fencing and that needs sorting sooner rather than later.

Many on here have stated why Clough’s statue shouldn’t be at the Riverside but you seem to have singled me out for your barbed attack’s. Is there a reason for that, can I help you to move on?
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You seem to have your timings out here.
I reacted to what you posted that I felt was inaccurate and disrespectful about Clough.
I've nothing to move on from, it is you who seems a bit stuck?
 
indeedido said:
You seem to have your timings out here.
I reacted to what you posted that I felt was inaccurate and disrespectful about Clough.
I've nothing to move on from, it is you who seems a bit stuck?
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So it is alright to call people a t wat who don’t agree with you?

If you had done it in a pub we would have ended up rolling about outside.

And as I say, I’m not the only one who disagrees with you about Cloughy but seem to be the only one you’ve targeted.
 
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Norman_Conquest said:
So it is alright to call people a t wat who don’t agree with you?

If you had done it in a pub we would have ended up rolling about outside.

And as I say, I’m not the only one who disagrees with you about Cloughy but seem to be the only one you’ve targeted.
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So your default is to roll about on the floor outside a pub?😂
Just supporting my first comment.
What exactly are you looking for here Norman?
I’m not sorry for what I posted at all.
 
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