Still being ripped off…

1finny

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The price of oil has dropped to $91 from around $120 when Russia invaded Ukraine, plus the 5p duty cut.

It should be around £1.50 certainly no more than £1.60

There are over 163 litres in a barrel - a barrel is £75 say the raw material cost of petrol is around 46p/litre. it then has to be processed and transported. Transporting is a small cost per litre, otherwise it would be much cheaper near a refinery. Then add on VAT @ 20% and then add on duty of 58p (info taken from another poster). Some of the VAT can be claimed back by the business selling the fuel and processing it. Can posters see where I get £1.50 to £1.60 from?

The supermarkets say they only break even on fuel, but use it to get people to buy other items.

My guess is that the refiners are trying to claw back lost profit from lock down and the retailers a little bit too.
The supermarkets are lying
They make money on petrol
I make around 3p - 5p a litre and only have 7 sites

They will buy better than me, probably sell a bit cheaper so, as minimum make around the same..
 

1finny

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Exactly they are quick to raise it on market forces but never seem to work the other way.

Remember the mass fuel protest a few years ago?

The price fell to end the blockade and was hailed as a victory and yet it was back up to the same rate snd higher within weeks.

Some victory.

Btw this would not happen in France it just wouldn’t they wouldn’t stand for it.


Not defending it in the slightest
The ‘market’ is whatever fuel retailers decide to sell at.
They don’t have to reduce prices just because cost comes down - they can choose to of course.

That’s why they make billions and customers are fleeced
 

MolteniArcore

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The price of oil has dropped to $91 from around $120 when Russia invaded Ukraine, plus the 5p duty cut.

It should be around £1.50 certainly no more than £1.60

There are over 163 litres in a barrel - a barrel is £75 say the raw material cost of petrol is around 46p/litre. it then has to be processed and transported. Transporting is a small cost per litre, otherwise it would be much cheaper near a refinery. Then add on VAT @ 20% and then add on duty of 58p (info taken from another poster). Some of the VAT can be claimed back by the business selling the fuel and processing it. Can posters see where I get £1.50 to £1.60 from?

The supermarkets say they only break even on fuel, but use it to get people to buy other items.

My guess is that the refiners are trying to claw back lost profit from lock down and the retailers a little bit too.

They charge VAT on the duty (taxing us for a tax... nice one) - not being pedantic but I think people should know this as it is pretty disgusting.
 

MolteniArcore

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Not very practical for a family day out though

Depends on a lot of things. If the correct infrastructure is in place families can happily cycle on family days out. The example for all to see is Amsterdam.

You can carry 2-3 kids in a cargo bike. That would get you to the train station and then the world is your oyster!

But I appreciate what you are saying. A start would be getting people to walk or cycle the 80% of car journeys that are under 5 miles (me included).
 

Trug

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Never heard of a cargo bike but I am sure there could be a good market for bikes that could be designed to carry multiple people plus perhaps some luggage or weekly shop etc. Just as long as the manufacturers/ dealers don't rip peoples eyes out.
 

MolteniArcore

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Never heard of a cargo bike but I am sure there could be a good market for bikes that could be designed to carry multiple people plus perhaps some luggage or weekly shop etc. Just as long as the manufacturers/ dealers don't rip peoples eyes out.


Prices in dollars but you get the picture. They range from $2-7k. Even the ones at the top end aren't too pricy if you consider how cheap they are to run compared to a small car. No tax, insurance, fuel (apart from a trickle of electricity), really low service costs etc.

If people have a car sat in their drive that is only used to go to the shops and run the kids around (typically under 5 miles) a cargo bike could be the ideal replacement and would work out much cheaper.
 

Redwurzel

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The supermarkets are lying
They make money on petrol
I make around 3p - 5p a litre and only have 7 sites

They will buy better than me, probably sell a bit cheaper so, as minimum make around the same..
1finny

The garage below is family owned and they are selling unleaded for 157.9p at present.

Its not a loaded or critical question - but how are they able to do it?

 

Redwurzel

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Yep. Yourself and others, such as those who live in remote areas or with poor public transport links, are constantly forgotten about by the green by any means brigade.
I would add people who can't ride bicyles or walk easily.

I often read why don't people cycle 10 miles a day or walk 2 miles to work and shopping etc - its assumed everyone is aged 18-55 and reasonable fit and can buy a small bag of shopping every day, also have a spare 60 minutes every day to do this. I know many people could do more, but there are limitations.

My mum in her mid 20s used to cycle to ICI Wilton from Ormesby, she was physically fit and strong at the time, but she found it tough five days a week in snow, ice, rain, gusts and when pregnant with me! It was tough and there was much less traffic then.
 
Depends on a lot of things. If the correct infrastructure is in place families can happily cycle on family days out. The example for all to see is Amsterdam.

You can carry 2-3 kids in a cargo bike. That would get you to the train station and then the world is your oyster!

But I appreciate what you are saying. A start would be getting people to walk or cycle the 80% of car journeys that are under 5 miles (me included).
The single reason the netherlands is so cycle friendly is because it is completely and utterly flat

And why should the country devolve back to the 1800's purely because theres too much tax and profit on fossil fuels, its a ridiculous argument
 

MolteniArcore

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The single reason the netherlands is so cycle friendly is because it is completely and utterly flat

And why should the country devolve back to the 1800's purely because theres too much tax and profit on fossil fuels, its a ridiculous argument

The single reason why the Netherlands is so cycle friendly is because of proper infrastructure.

E-bikes negate hills.

The country should evolve. That means waking up to the effect short car journeys (80% are under 5 miles) damage health and the environment. A bonus of realising this is that it is cheaper and we have less fat knackers. There is no downside to having less cars on the road.
 
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