Still being ripped off…

Legz

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I've just been to asda on portrack Lane and their unleaded has gone down to £1.74 (was £1.89 last week). Still a p!ss take but at least it's going in the right direction...and keeps going that way.
 

bigbob

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Every cloud has a silver lining, people will use cars for less journeys/plan journeys/use bikes/drive slower. All this is better for the environment which is really the one and only subject that any one should be really concerned about.

I didn’t see any of that happening when prices were at the highest. It wont matter soon anyway when we’re all living in The Line.
Biked in to work this morning - took an hour and only saw 2 other cyclists. Yet cars were passing me doing 60/70 on the road down to seal sands. Looks like fuel prices would have to go up even higher to encourage more people to swap the car for the bike or to slow down a bit.
 

Andy_W

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Biked in to work this morning - took an hour and only saw 2 other cyclists. Yet cars were passing me doing 60/70 on the road down to seal sands. Looks like fuel prices would have to go up even higher to encourage more people to swap the car for the bike or to slow down a bit.
They should de-restrict the e-bikes, and let them do 25-30mph with no peddling, 15mph is too slow and when driving along with traffic you want to be as close to their speed as possible, without being out of control.

Would also need to ban e-bikes from pavements too mind, and be a lot stricter with policing that.

Maybe even have a licence for a de-restricted e-bike, and a basic test.
 

chickenrunner

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They should de-restrict the e-bikes, and let them do 25-30mph with no peddling, 15mph is too slow and when driving along with traffic you want to be as close to their speed as possible, without being out of control.

Would also need to ban e-bikes from pavements too mind, and be a lot stricter with policing that.

Maybe even have a licence for a de-restricted e-bike, and a basic test.
No, they shouldn't. You're basically describing an electric moped so all the attendant rules should apply ........... licence, vehicle excise duty, insurance, mot, ......................................
 

Jedi boro

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I've just been to asda on portrack Lane and their unleaded has gone down to £1.74 (was £1.89 last week). Still a p!ss take but at least it's going in the right direction...and keeps going that way.
Asda is now owned by two petrol station barons isn’t it so not surprised that they have done this.

Hopefully as you say it’s sparks a downward trend.
 

Johngannonsunderpants

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Every cloud has a silver lining, people will use cars for less journeys/plan journeys/use bikes/drive slower. All this is better for the environment which is really the one and only subject that any one should be really concerned about.
That doesn't help people who drive for a living like me.
 

Jedi boro

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Every cloud has a silver lining, people will use cars for less journeys/plan journeys/use bikes/drive slower. All this is better for the environment which is really the one and only subject that any one should be really concerned about.
Yes because our integrated transport system in this country is so amazing. I take it you live in London with that attitude where billions are spent in train lines that already exist as for the rest of the country this transport utopia doesn’t exist.
 

Trug

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Yes because our integrated transport system in this country is so amazing. I take it you live in London with that attitude where billions are spent in train lines that already exist as for the rest of the country this transport utopia doesn’t exist.
Train from Allens West to Metro Centre takes TWO HOURS and costs £18.00 in fare.
 

festa5

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Biked in to work this morning - took an hour and only saw 2 other cyclists. Yet cars were passing me doing 60/70 on the road down to seal sands. Looks like fuel prices would have to go up even higher to encourage more people to swap the car for the bike or to slow down a bit.
Don't get me wrong I'm all for more people cycling, using public transport, driving slower etc etc.

But it needs more than just pricing people out of fuel to change attitudes. No government has really properly invested in the infrastructure to support all these change in habits.

If you want more people to cycle or use public transport it has to be more convenient, cheaper and safer. It can't just be about making the alternative more expensive.
 

Andy_W

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No, they shouldn't. You're basically describing an electric moped so all the attendant rules should apply ........... licence, vehicle excise duty, insurance, mot, ......................................
Not really, nowhere near the same mass/ weight, and users unlikely to take a great deal of risk, most mopeds are also faster. No VED as it's electric, and I said a basic test could be taken and even a yearly service requirement, once over 3 years old (which would take about 15 minutes).

Can get a cheap e-bike for £1,000, and they can also be used for fitness (can even turn the motor off), kills three birds with one stone. People get cheap transport, people get fitter (not fatter) and less emissions.

Could even have them require 10% power peddling input, so you have to put in 40W to get 400W out. A granny can do 40W and Tour De France riders put our 400W, and can do 30mph on their own steam, easily.

We should also incentivise electric mopeds too mind, and remove the 28mph restriction.
 

Andy_W

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By law, in the UK, mopeds are limited to 28mph.
Yeah it's 125cc scooters which are allowed to 60mph, and mopeds are under 50cc by legal definition, didn't realise that, thought they were practically the same thing.

They look very similar mind, and a 28mph limit for a moped seems daft overall, for most people who would could legally ride one.

The law is different who can use anything up to 50cc, i.e younger than 17, but that law could still be kept in place, and limited to 28mph, and could keep the 15mph limit for e-bikes.
 

chickenrunner

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Yeah it's 125cc scooters which are allowed to 60mph, and mopeds are under 50cc by legal definition, didn't realise that, thought they were practically the same thing.

They look very similar mind, and a 28mph limit for a moped seems daft overall, for most people who would could legally ride one.

The law is different who can use anything up to 50cc, i.e younger than 17, but that law could still be kept in place, and limited to 28mph, and could keep the 15mph limit for e-bikes.
Not against your idea per se but I think it needs to be properly regulated. A speed increase would put users themselves and other vulnerable road users at significantly greater risk, unfortunately perceived vulnerability doesn't seem to moderate risk taking in everybody. This article about fatalities in Holland is interesting, they already have a faster 'class' of e-bike but they don't allow them to use cycle lanes and routes.

E-bike Fatalities rise 230%
 

Redwurzel

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The price of oil has dropped to $91 from around $120 when Russia invaded Ukraine, plus the 5p duty cut.

It should be around £1.50 certainly no more than £1.60

There are over 163 litres in a barrel - a barrel is £75 say the raw material cost of petrol is around 46p/litre. it then has to be processed and transported. Transporting is a small cost per litre, otherwise it would be much cheaper near a refinery. Then add on VAT @ 20% and then add on duty of 58p (info taken from another poster). Some of the VAT can be claimed back by the business selling the fuel and processing it. Can posters see where I get £1.50 to £1.60 from?

The supermarkets say they only break even on fuel, but use it to get people to buy other items.

My guess is that the refiners are trying to claw back lost profit from lock down and the retailers a little bit too.
 

Jedi boro

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The price of oil has dropped to $91 from around $120 when Russia invaded Ukraine, plus the 5p duty cut.

It should be around £1.50 certainly no more than £1.60
Exactly they are quick to raise it on market forces but never seem to work the other way.

Remember the mass fuel protest a few years ago?

The price fell to end the blockade and was hailed as a victory and yet it was back up to the same rate snd higher within weeks.

Some victory.

Btw this would not happen in France it just wouldn’t they wouldn’t stand for it.

 

BillyBoyStu

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Yes because our integrated transport system in this country is so amazing. I take it you live in London with that attitude where billions are spent in train lines that already exist as for the rest of the country this transport utopia doesn’t exist.
Think he said he biked an hour to work at Seal Sands in a later reply. Sounds like the right attitude.
 
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