Steve Turner PCC

BoroMart said:
....or hold a political opponent to account, are you suggesting you shouldn't whistle blow on potential wrong doing of opposition? Surely that would be viewed through the lens of being a weak and pointless opposition
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Holding people to account through the media isn't about holding people to account it's about political point scoring.

It may reach a point where the media are engaged, but practically this matter should have been raised formally through the OPCC - there's a due process and running to the media isn't it.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Of course I did, I'm not sure if you're very naive of being deliberately obtuse. Whether you or I would release the information is a moot point, the relevant point is that he only did so to damage a political opponent.

The politics around Cleveland Police by the last two PCC's and other politicians in the area has been at a huge disservice to you, I and the other people who live, work and visit the area.

Don't forget that Coppinger only left because someone had leaked some information to Turner about Whatsapp messages in which he was referred to. This latest episode is precisely the same type of petty playground nonsense that's been played out in the local media for years. Its dirty politics entirely designed to damage an opponent - it's nothing to do with morals or public-duty. If it was, why was it released to the media, as a starting point, rather than communicating directly to the PCC?
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Whoa there Jonny.

I'm neither being naive nor obtuse.
I asked you if you thought that MacDonald should simply sit on the information he had.
I didn't see you answer that question.
 
If I apply to be a Police Officer I have to declare any caution I have received, this may or may not debar me from entering the Police but it has to be disclosed, if months later a caution I have not declared on my application comes to light, my employment would be terminated, how can this process apply to the rank and file officers and not apply to the person charged with managing a Police Force ?

Can anyone give me an explanation how a person with a police record can be in charge of the Force he has that record with and not think his position untenable, I thought Turner was out of his depth and unsuitable for office but his insistence that his police record shouldn't debar him from his position is bordering on deranged. I expect Turner to be told today to hand in his notice and that those whose coat-tails he ascended on distance themselves from him.
 
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BoroMart said:
the lack of answers shows a prejudiced view
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Apologies if my previous reply came across as salty, but as someone who has been personally affected by the petty politics around the OPCC I find the whole political circus a constant source of frustration.

I don't know Tuner, but I do know that there has been plenty of dirty politics over the last several years and whilst there is a clear public interest I don't think for a second that MacDonald has tackled this subject for that reason, in precisely the same way as other MP's and the major have.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
As far as I'm aware Coppinger resigned, not given the bullet and that all investigations against him have been dropped. Am I wrong?
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That's how I understand it BBG.

Youngie seems to have other ideas so I'm just waiting for him to come back to me on that one.
 
American_Mary said:
If I apply to be a Police Officer I have to declare any caution I have received, this may or may not debar me from entering the Police but it has to be disclosed, if months later a caution I have not declared on my application comes to light, my employment would be terminated, how can this process apply to the rank and file officers and not apply to the person charged with managing a Police Force ?

Can anyone give me an explanation how a person with a police record can be in charge of the Force he has that record with and not think his position untenable, I thought Turner was out of his depth and unsuitable for office but his insistence that his police record shouldn't debar him from his position is bordering on deranged. I expect Turner to be told today to hand in his notice and that those whose coat-tails he ascended on distance themselves from him.
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Agree with all of this and it's crazy that PCC's can't actually be 'sacked' as such, given they are elected, rather than appointed.

In reality PCC's have little real influence on police forces in my experience, they lack both the expertise and the experience to have any real insight that is required to properly discharge their duties.

The whole arrangement around PCC's is flawed.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Apologies if my previous reply came across as salty, but as someone who has been personally affected by the petty politics around the OPCC I find the whole political circus a constant source of frustration.

I don't know Tuner, but I do know that there has been plenty of dirty politics over the last several years and whilst there is a clear public interest I don't think for a second that MacDonald has tackled this subject for that reason, in precisely the same way as other MP's and the major have.
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No problem. I totally agree that policing has been politiced, and it absolutely shouldn't be. I mean just look at the whole Cressida d*ck fiasco in that there London. It's happened around the country, largely Tory puppets involved in policing and avoiding accountability for their previous behaviours.

Of course McDonald has his own reasons, but, that's a side issue. We all know that this government ignores rules and standard practice. That putting this issue through 'official process' rather than making a westminister declaration, is the only way to get some level of scrutiny. I mean going through official channels didn't cost Cressida d*ck her job, it didn't cost Priti Patel her job, it's important that people are allowed to whistleblow regardless of their own motivations because it'll be swept under the carpet without that ability.
 
BoroFur said:
But I am answering it. Like I said, being poor at your job is not a criminal offence. As far as I'm aware he resigned rather than being given the bullet as you describe it.

As part of your defence for voting in Turner you've accused Coppinger of underhand criminal behaviour and still being under police investigation.

Both very bold statements.

I'm just asking you to flesh out the facts for me.
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Still waiting @Youngie
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I don't know why he used it.

Same as I don't know why Turner said that the claim was unsubstantiated but then admitted that he'd accepted the caution.

I don't think it affects his position. Voters will tolerate a racist thief these days.
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Agreed. That last paragraph is what I think too. I've not heard one Tory politician call for his resignation
I think he'll try and sit tight until this story is fish and chip paper - and probably succeed
 
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