Steve Turner PCC

Jonny Ingbar said:
Maybe it does, but the fact remains that this wasn't an example of public service by MacDonald, it was entirely designed to discredit the sitting conservative PCC - and I say this as someone who's politics is left leaning. Lets not dress this up as something it isn't.
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How do you know his motives? You're making assumptions now.

If a PCC has a criminal history then the public are entitled to know.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
Maybe it does, but the fact remains that this wasn't an example of public service by MacDonald, it was entirely designed to discredit the sitting conservative PCC - and I say this as someone who's politics is left leaning. Lets not dress this up as something it isn't.
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So are you suggesting that MacDonald simply sat on the information he had?
 
Mr_Fridge said:
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know what you mean about not holding something against someone indefinitely (within reason…). But less than 24 hours ago he was denying this was true and threatening libel action. So not sure about that “upstanding citizen” bit!

and mention of him and far right involvement/relationships on Twitter at the moment.
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He joined the Tories from UKIP - so definitely not what used to be called a 'wet' Tory
 
They say it takes a thief to catch a thief….😎.
Anyway rehabilitation of offenders etc, isn’t it a spent conviction clean slate and all that.let him who is without sin , pray for the fallen .🙏🏼
 
As Someone that voted for this guy it’s disappointing to see this has happened. I’m not too bothered about the caution from 20 years ago… just the fact he has covered it up.

he has to go in my book… it’s as simple as that.

as for Andy Macdonald… he is the biggest $hit house rat going. Let’s not forget this guy was Barry Coppengers biggest supporter and defender right to the bitter end despite all the evidence that he was the most untrustworthy person going and also the most incompetent.
 
Let’s not deflect from the only point that matters the person in charge of policing in our area has admitted to criminal activity serious enough to force his resignation and to warrant a police caution, he has then not disclosed this information, has initially denied this information was true and after finally admitting to it he has the arrogance to think that it shouldn’t matter despite his own protestations regarding 'zero tolerance of crime', 'criminals are scum', 'no excuse for crime' and how he would use his own position to come down tough on criminals.

I don’t care what rosette he wears, I do care that he’s a hypocrite, I’m not blaming any political party or any other individual, Turner’s hubris, actions and lack of disclosure are to blame, the idea, the their reasons why aren’t relevant, that someone telling the truth is to somehow culpable shows how low we have fallen in our expectations.
 
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Youngie said:
As Someone that voted for this guy it’s disappointing to see this has happened. I’m not too bothered about the caution from 20 years ago… just the fact he has covered it up.

he has to go in my book… it’s as simple as that.

as for Andy Macdonald… he is the biggest $hit house rat going. Let’s not forget this guy was Barry Coppengers biggest supporter and defender right to the bitter end despite all the evidence that he was the most untrustworthy person going and also the most incompetent.
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That's right, shoot the messenger. What did you expect MacDonald to do with this information?

Oh, and shame on you for voting for a Tory. Particularly one with his background.
 
BoroFur said:
That's right, shoot the messenger. What did you expect MacDonald to do with this information?

Oh, and shame on you for voting for a Tory. Particularly one with his background.
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I am happy this has been brought the to the public's attention and I have made my stance clear he needs to go. I find Macdonald's act of hiding behind Parliamentary privilege's an insult as to what it stands for. Why did he feel he couldn't say it in the public domain?

I also find him the biggest hypocrite going based on his acceptance, protection and support that he gave to Barry Coppinger... A man that dodged multiple scandals with the help of his teflon friends and the underhand criminal behavior that is still currently under investigation with the police.

So borofur..... what's your stance on the Labour Party supporting Barry Coppinger for so long before finally giving him the bullet? Shame on you for voting for him for so long.... Particularly with HIS background.
 
Yearbyred said:
Steve Turner initially denied it but has changed his story and issued an open letter giving his version of events.

He received a Police caution and resigned but wasn’t sacked, according to him.
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a) is his version of events true or a sanitisation to save his career?
b) people rarely get sacked these days, you would be given the opportunity of resigning or be sacked, as resigning would save the company from any protracted legal battles, and the ex-employee the embarrassment of having a sacking. It's a mutually beneficial alternative to sacking, but morally it's the same
c) on his application for PCC did he declare that he had a police caution and the details of it?
 
Muttley said:
That said it was (I assume) some time ago and we really shouldn't be judging people on things they did in the past if they have subsequently become upstanding citizens. I think that should be a universal stance?
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That is my usual stance, but PCC is a role where whiter than white is important, and of course there is now the question around his honesty when he went for this role, because he may never have gotten it if he was brutally honest
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
The real issue here is the absolute catastrophe that the creation of PCC's have had on UK policing.

Politics and policing should never be conflated and we've had years of the local Tory MP's trying their best to torpedo Coppingers tenure and now Labour MP's trying to do the same for the current PCC.
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agreed, policing should be party neutral...at the same time, it is legitimate to make it public knowledge that he had this caution and lost his job through illegal behaviour. It's in the publics interest to know that, and would be if it were a Labour PCC.
 
Youngie said:
I find Macdonald's act of hiding behind Parliamentary privilege's an insult as to what it stands for. Why did he feel he couldn't say it in the public domain?
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he did say it in the public domain - thats why its been reported all over the media - thats why you are able to comment on it, previously you didnt know.

what do you think 'Parliamentary Privilege' is and stands for?

can you tell us the instances of when its been used previously that you have also disagreed with it as an insult and what it stands for ?
 
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